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Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2009 12:21 p.m. PST

Gentlemen,

The popularity of pulp fiction miniatures and Khurasan Miniature offerings, I have wondered if there might be interest for unusual figures set in the 18th century. There are pirates, aborigines and figures that can pass for African Kingdoms. Then an idea.

What if Atlantis had survived the catastrophic event (of course its myth) and quietly evolved unknown to the rest of the world.

What would an 18th century Atlantis be like?

If technologically further evolved, what could we imagine?

Fashion sense, how would they have dressed?

Any ideas?
Cheers,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com

abdul666lw05 Jun 2009 3:33 p.m. PST

An intringuing but difficult question, because the answer is basically "your guess is as good as mine".

Type of civilisation and technology level: they depend on:
- what they were when Atlantis somehow became secluded,
- how easy or hard were the times for the Atlanteans since that date.

For the 1st point, the possibilities range from some form of semi-Minoan Bronze Age culture to at least our late 20th C. By the late "50 early "60 (how many of you were born?) there was a proliferation of books sustaining that ancient mythologies and holy texts 'proved' the existence of pre-historic advanced cultures ('inseminated' by extra-terrestrials mistaken for deities / angels) with airboats and perhaps the A bomb…

For the 2nd point Atlantis may have be thrown back to the Stone Age by a cataclysm, be sclerified by conservatism or have advanced without the interruption of the Dark Ages.

So all in all *everything goes* from cavemen to 'semi-Ancients' (remember e.g. the 'She' movie with Ursula Andress) to Sci-Fi (Flash Gordon-type would be specially appropriate, I feel).
And of course you can imagine an heterogenous situation with ultra-civilised enclaves scattered in a wilderness…


Depends on how you wish to wargame it. With 'our' 18th C. as reference, equally or less advanced Atlantis would provide a situation similar to the FIW, the British-French struggle for India, or Victorian colonial wargaming (but with less advanced 'whites', so their numerical inferiority is to be less marked). Would become quite different, and totally change the nature of warfare / wargame if you introduce aeronefs, tanks and radio sets.


Similarly for the architecture and costume: everything from loincloths to tights.

link
(diaporamas under "Couverture + planches" and "Cases et dessins")

You should really post your question on the 'Victorian Science Fiction' board here: they are quite familiar with this kind of situation!

For me to keep the typical Lace War-gaming unadulteated I'd exclude 'advanced' technology, or drastically restrict its occurence and efficiency: link
As for costume, with a mysterious 7th continent in mind link , I'd endvisage… Barsoomians (RAFM and Parroom Station Martians would have to be 're-humanized', unfortunately; some Elves make good substitutes, and Bronze Age Imperials and Pirates are 'human')+ Zardoz, *Tekumelites* and of course warrior women -Shadowforge [Temple of Light pseudo-Egyptians, Dark Temple pseudo-Greeks, Tribals on dinosaurs] and Maidenhead Babes That Time Forgot], mainly, and Bronze Age Warrior Women if you allow more advanced weaponry: take a look at the ranges!
If you *really* want men, Crocodile Games 'Aegyptus' and Rackham come to mind.
For a more 'modern' and somehow 'Horse and Musket' look, some factions of Privateer Press Warmachine, for instance, could come handy?
(Obviously I'm familiar only with 28mm ranges!)

Please keep us informed!

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2009 4:06 p.m. PST

I have a project percolating that I call the "Lost City of Zimbabwe". So far, it has a Stargate, Foundry Masai and Foundry Nubian nobles.
It seems like Wargames Factory Numidians with some rifles might work…
I also plan to get some Castaway Arts Abyssinians for this.

Just because you are in the Back of Beyond does not mean that you have to be primitive. You can still look absolutely fabulous.

thehawk05 Jun 2009 5:23 p.m. PST

I was reading up on the Perry Rhodan SF series and forthcoming game recently and went on to read about Lemuria, and on to Atlantis. Plate tectonics apparently dispels the possibility of an Atlantis or Lemuria as large continents.
But in the 18thC, the southern Pacific was uncharted territory, and plate tectonics were unknown. And New Zealand, discovered by Cook?, is actually the peaks of ancient continent Zealandia. Maps on the web.
So it is totally feasible that an ancient land existed in the Southern Pacific. It remained undiscovered due to distance from Europe.
The northern tip of Zealandia lies in the tropics and the southern in the Antarctic, so all sorts of adventures are possible. Modern NZ flora is prehistoric and large 12' tall birds were only made extinct a few hundred years ago.
So all is perfectly feasible.

Space Monkey05 Jun 2009 10:11 p.m. PST

If the Atlanteans survived, weren't cut off or severely depopulated… and kept much of the technological advancements the legends portray… then I'd expect that would heavily impact the rest of world history… to the point that you might as well start from scratch… including a different measurement of historical eras that would render 'the 18th century' meaningless.

What's this about an upcoming Perry Rhodan game?

Pyrate Captain05 Jun 2009 11:09 p.m. PST

Just how far south would Columbus have to sail to miss Atlantis?
Just how far north would the Vikings have sail to miss Atlantis?

abdul666lw05 Jun 2009 11:11 p.m. PST

Indeed if your setting is to be 'our' 18th C. (even with, e.g., an archipelago instead of North America), really 'advanced' Atlanteans must for some philosophical reason have chosen to remain isolated, watching 'us' without interference (Agartha-fashion?). And if your men in tricorns meet them, you'll be playing Victorian Sci-Fi at the very least -no longer 18th C. warfare -be warned!

If 'their' 18mm is close enough to 'your' 15mm, Black Hat Martians could be Atlanteans?

A *lot* of exciting threads on the Victorian Science-Fiction board TMP link deal with Martian /Lost World / Atlantean architecture and lanscape; also several on the Pirates board TMP link discuss 'weird' encounters, Atlanteans among them.

Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2009 2:54 a.m. PST

I did not envision a great distortion in my 18th century Atlantis, such as flying machines, advance technology, bizarre physical evolution, etc.

Looking at the historical progress from the time of the ancients to the 18th century, the Dark Ages hindered the development of western Europe. I would like to think my "Atlantean" civilization collected all that "lost" knowledge and developed inventions or ideas to their next step. Having their own network of spies, they would be aware of how the rest of the world has fared so as to maintain their technological lead.

Revering the old "Gods", the gods would reciprocate, cloaking their world with mists or create turbulent seas or storms to fend off curious travelers. However, at some point in time, one capricious god could let an explorer persevere and the "Age of Discovery" would begin.

Still thinking on this and thank you for your comments.

Cheers,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com

CAPTAIN BEEFHEART06 Jun 2009 4:52 a.m. PST

My feelings is that the 'dark ages' stimulated technology but that's for another day.

Perhaps accelerating ancient technologies…

Really good rowboats with fabulous hulls. Torsion powered devices like catapults are in excess of the ancient norms-(even hand held?)
A perfection in ancient war drills-ninja skirmishers,well drilled cavalry etc. Legions where every man a sword-god and formations form almost instantly.
Wonderful waterways,aqueducts,sewers etc. Oh yes, the best statues and mosaics going. Maybe a fair and functional government that satisfies most everyone.
If you maintain the ancient world's reliance on slavery, you can keep the agriculture primitive as well as many of the technologies.
…just stirring the pot.

Warrenss206 Jun 2009 5:33 a.m. PST

"What if Atlantis had survived the catastrophic event (of course its myth) and quietly evolved unknown to the rest of the world."

"If technologically further evolved, what could we imagine?"

Perhaps they are shielded by some "cloaking field" that would not only make it "invisible" but confuse compasses and mariners into thinking they were on course but causing them to bypass the small island nation.

Even if it's going to be set in the 18th century I'd pulpify the h#ll out of it. I could see areas filled with Roman-like games, conserved prehistoric beast… extinct off the island… neanderthal slaves, clean energy sources, etc.

They don't have to be necessarily evil, maybe with an uppity air of ancient superiority and customs. After all… they existed before Conan's Hyborian world, which was before our ice age.

abdul666lw06 Jun 2009 6:38 a.m. PST

Quasi-Melniboneans, then? At the civilisation rather than individual level they would have the same relation with 'historical' Europe as Elves have with Humans… Haughty, for sure, and would not appreciate to be 'discovered' more than Victorian British by a flotilla of Wa'a Peleleu from Hawaii link !

Give 'Ancient' (Greek Roman)-looking helmet decorations (horsehair, feathers crest..) to for instance: link -or to 'men in tights' (Robin Hood * Superman) but with motorcycle helmets? Decades ago, how many Airix Napoleonic cuirassiers were sacrified / beheaded to provide such ornaments?
A fellow member of the 'Emperor vs Elector' "alternate Lace Wars" group, unfortunately without a blog of his own, created a 18th C. 'Reconstituted Byzantium', giving H&M weapons to (shieldless) Byzantine minis (wonder what his Amazon Guard looks like?).
In 15mm I suspect 'paint conversion' could turn a musket into a thunderbolt-thrower or a repeating blowpipe? Atlanteans in Farmer's 'World of Tiers' are flamethrower specialists.
Now, Atlantis came from Plato link picture , but some insist to link it to other Ancient cultures -specially all those with pyramids link , so you could as well use Mayas as basis or components of your conversions.

And maybe Atlanteans are indeed extremely long-lived at the individual level, if actually 'Nephilim', these angels (1/2gods) human hybrids?
Is R'lyeh associated to Atlantis picture ?

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GrantS06 Jun 2009 6:41 a.m. PST

I love coming to this place.

Although I have a tough enough time setting up an occasional 'Normal game" of stuff, I enjoy reading about this stuff!!!

Atlantis 18th century: I'd personally sorta imagine the 1840's?

Andy ONeill06 Jun 2009 6:58 a.m. PST

I used to like Biggles.
Seem to recall some cunning bunch up there in the himalayas with rayguns and electrified walkways that paralysed you when turned on.

Disdaining contact with the rest of humanity means no warfare with the rest of humanity. Warfare and trade drive progress in the rest of the world so, logically, they'd have lower technology.

abdul666lw06 Jun 2009 9:57 a.m. PST

Female cannibals in 15mm: TMP link
May be kept as such if 'advanced' Atlantis is surrounded by a wilderness, or converted to Dejah Thoris-types?
By paint conversion naked Chichimecs link can be given very thight-fitting clothes, SuperHeroes fashion?
But I wonder how difficult it would be to give them 'advanced' weapons..

Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2009 11:19 a.m. PST

abdul666lw, … the arrogance of quasi-Melniboneans, I like that. I can also imagine an Empire welded together over time despite its feuding kingdoms and vendettas. A college of science which promote the development of ideas and inventions (to include naval and military use).

The art of healing would indeed increase the longevity of the inhabitants; which would mean generals would serving longer than their European counterparts. The downside; promotion would be very slow.

Captain Beefheart, … good rowboats with fabulous hulls; I envisioned as scout craft catamarans with design sails and the larger ships, also sleek designed would be able to out-maneuver any of the known navies. I would also agree about waterways, aqueducts and sewers.

Warrenss2 … clean energy sources, perhaps improved wind and watermills.

AONill … over the thousand or more years, an Atlantean society would have experienced civil wars.
Plus the odd voyagers that did wash ashore or beached their unknowingly , would bring examples of their technology; weaponry, navigation instruments, charts. These would certainly be adapted or improved upon.
Keep the pot stirring.

Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2009 11:44 a.m. PST

abdul666lw, One of our members has a considerable collection of the female cannibals. The rest of the bow, javelin and blowpipe "natives" of the archipelago come from the Old Glory Ancient Berber and Biblical series.

Advance technology. I had thought about rockets with an improved guidance system. Chinese had Fire Arrows around 1000 AD and that information would certainly have made its way to Atlantis.

Also, glass globes filled with naptha which could be hand delivered or fitted with rocket propulsion. City defenses consisting of course waterways, walls and towers fitted with Heat Rays of Archimedes.

abdul666lw06 Jun 2009 1:39 p.m. PST

Another consequence of the extended life span would be restriction on reproduction (space and ressources being finite): hyper-K reproductive strategy. I toyed with the idea in a comment to my 'Lace Wars Sci-Fi' post (yes, I post comments to my own messages on my own blog…), but at the social level allowance to have a child would be a reward and a great honor. Not a class privilege of course, the upper class needing servile manpower (unless the Atlanteans are surrounded by a reserve of 'barbarians' to enslave).
Biologically the number of fertile females is the limiting factor to reproduction rate, so if Atlantis along its millenia of existence mastered biology enough, the sex-ratio could be unbalanced at birth (5 or 10 instead of # 1?). A more amusing (and not exclusive) possibility could be delayed puberty of the girls (pheromonal inhibition by mature females: demonstrated e.g. in mice) who (while not being sterile 'workers' as among social insects) would remain androgynous for years: I suggested this as the origin of the effeminate look of many Elves / Eldars (an inexhaustible source of rough comments and jokes in the whole multiverse)!

Weaponry-wise, just because of the traditional association of Atlantis with Greece, what about flamethrowers as 'advanced Greek Fire'? Also the Greeks (Macedonians?) invented the crossbow; the repeating crossbow of the 'Van Helsing' movie is silly, the 'bow' is not functional: but is using compressed air… en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gun
In both case the main difficulty is to find appropriate 'reservoirs' for conversion of the 15mm spears or handguns?

Warrenss206 Jun 2009 3:06 p.m. PST

"clean energy sources, perhaps improved wind and watermills" cold fusion maybe?

What if the ancient Barsoomians (Edgar Rice Burroughs' Martian red men) sent an expedition to Jasoom (Earth) and they landed at and colonized the Atlantean Isle? What would their technology be like today? Even if they didn't advance that much they would still have a lot of cool and nifty vehicles and weapons.

Andy ONeill07 Jun 2009 4:21 a.m. PST

Cutting oneself off didn't work so well for the Chinese or Japanese. Despite castaways and internal warfare.

If you invaded from Mars, why just one island?

I would see lower technology and shorter lifespans much more logical.
Doesn't mean they're a push over.
If Incas somehow didn't have a load of enemies and weren't in internal turmoil then the conquistadors would have come to a sticky end.
Meeting a Zulu impi whilst armed only with muzzle loaders would be a very sobering experience.
Longbow arrowstorm wouldn't be much fun neither.

Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP08 Jun 2009 11:24 p.m. PST

abdul666lw … Good heavens, you have done your homework :) . I mentioned longevity in relation to 18th century man, through better living conditions, no disease, and the like would increase the life span. I had not thought about an artificial means to gain such; might be an idea for the royal house to attain a god like status.

The repeating crossbow is nicely demonstrated in the film Red Cliff from John Woo. Chinese figures would be the only ones having these in 15mm. Visualizing the uniform, I can imagine a cloth bound around the helmet and armour painted In sea blue or green, cream coloured uniform to offset their bronze skin tone.

warrenss2 …. While researching inventions of the Greeks and Romans, there was mention of a rail system for travel and steam propulsion. Ideas for further cultivation.

AONeill … I agree with your analogy of Incas and Zulus; this is the enjoyable aspect of war gaming. The challenge here is to maintain a playable balance between a mythological civilization and the known world of the 18th century.

Thanks to all of you, this will certainly keep me busy at the drawing board for a while.

Cheers,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com

rodgeydodge09 Jun 2009 4:24 a.m. PST

Zealia Bishop and The Master wrote a novella called "The Mound" which explores a subject similar to this. An advanced human like civilization discovered first, by a conquistador then almost again by a man in the 1920's.
These people had reached a zenith of technology and then regressed out of boredom and due to some civil strife. They became more decadent and in addition to using hybrid humans as beasts of burden and food they combine mechanical elements with corpses to create gladiators and guards.
No one was allowed to encounter them and leave. They could be hospitable but if you broke the rules, odds are they would chop you up and reanimate you with a warning written on your chest.
These folk are psychic, immortal and can phase through solid matter.
In my games a few individuals escaped this underground society to seek adventure.
Three of these people were Nemo of the Nautilus, Mackenzie of the Alpha and Dr. Malic of the Kurosame (Black Shark).


These men built submarines and undersea bases due to avoid capture by their former countrymen.

Andy ONeill10 Jun 2009 4:51 a.m. PST

So they're supermen.
Bah!

Superman is no fun.
You need to invent kryptonite to give him any challenge.
Then there's only so much you can do with one kryptonite… so invent red kryptonite.
And he's still too good.

Subtle is more interesting.
If they're so damn good they'd be ruling the world.

You only need psychic and immortal – do not age nor suffer disease.
Then you can make them mostly terrified of dying.
Some of them get bored and reckless.
Internal logic.
The vast majority conspire to manipulate humankind subtley in order to remain "safely" hidden.
When people turn up they panic.
Their psychic abilities do not allow them to turn people into completely controlled puppets – they must instead influence them. Maybe their power works better when the subject is asleep.
Maybe when they all join together in the magic circle of total power they can make someone do exactly what they want.
For a short while.
So the captain suddenly decides he better change course.

Maybe they enjoy others suffering.
They're evil psychics.
Maybe them manipulate humanity towards misery.
MWAHAHAHAHA!

Living forever has huge implications.
That Jesus?
He was a joke until we turned him round.
The funniest bit was when we got the Romans to feed them to lions – great idea that turn the other cheek thing.

abdul666lw10 Jun 2009 7:26 a.m. PST

The dystopian image of melnibonean-like 'masters' thrieving at the expense of suppressed 'barbarian' masses -'active' Eloi enslaving, if not really eating, Morlocks- has some 'gothic' appeal (then 'gothic' may provide painting suggestions for upper class Atlantean women: YouTube link !).

Hero of Alexandria (Ero Alessandrino)designed a steam-powered device, and Archimedes possibly used steam cannons -though I suppose they would be useful only as forteress pieces?
*Maybe* Persians know of electrical devices link : what about Leyden jars en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyden_jar used as mines?
Even if hand-propelled (a series of paddlewheels on each side?), the historical Turtleship looks quite 'exotic' link ; combine it with the equally historical Turtle submarine: link , give it a (Disney's Nautilus) ram….

Lost worlds, unkown civilisations &c.: plenty of ideas on the TMP boards:
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abdul666lw19 Jun 2009 6:28 a.m. PST

Fashion sense, how would they have dressed?

Two possibilities, according to recent reports:
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abdul666lw26 Jun 2009 10:05 p.m. PST

As an alternative -or an additional source of inspiration- there's always Prester John's kingdom: TMP link
A golden opportunity for those interested both with the Lace Wars and (Victorian) Sudan / Dark Africa campaigns to combine them.

CAPTAIN BEEFHEART28 Jun 2009 5:29 a.m. PST

Prester John, interesting thought. Problem is it is religeon,not technology that would set apart his 'universe' from the standard locals. wherever they would have ended up.
Baudolino in the 1700's anyone? Of course we could postulate that he 'knew' stuff….

CAPTAIN BEEFHEART28 Jun 2009 5:35 a.m. PST

I have to say that this thread intrigues me. We can use disparate figures as opponents without having to suffer through 'trendy' rules systems (VSF comes to mind). Anything goes provided the rationale can suspend disbelief for the time it takes to set up the board. Well worth dwelling on…

abdul666lw28 Jun 2009 9:07 a.m. PST

CAPTAIN BEEFHEART: keep us informed!

abdul666lw04 Jul 2009 6:01 a.m. PST

May provide some architectural inspiration:
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abdul666lw04 Jul 2009 10:05 p.m. PST
abdul666lw06 Jul 2009 10:12 a.m. PST

Maybe some 'alternate 18th C.' earsays actually refer to 'your' Atlantis:
"Also of note: rumours still abund about the Christian Royaume du Pretre Jean; generally said to have been founded by converted Meroeans (with a sprinkling of Sabeans, exiled when they converted from Judaism to Christianism) who moved… somewhere inland. Yet some claim that later, following the raving sermons of one Abdul al-Hazred, they rejected Christianity YouTube link , and are now ruled by a white (immortal YouTube link ? At least very YouTube link , very old YouTube link and travelled YouTube link ) Witch-Queen 'Who Must Be Obeyed' picture ?"

abdul666lw17 Jul 2009 12:01 a.m. PST

Thule: a gate to Atlantis?
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This French TV animation may be relevant:
citesdor.com/images_video

Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP18 Jul 2009 5:18 a.m. PST

Captain Beefheart…To be honest, I rather like the oriental infuences. I am also a fan of the Final Fantasy architecture and costumes.

YouTube link

abdul666lw…I like the idea of a Witch-Queen. A pity the Deamonworld figures are no longer made. The Dark Elf series had some great models.

Cultus Ferox! That just reminded me. I have some unemployed 15mm Reaper Dwarf berserkers armed with axe and knives and dressen with much less than Zed.

Rusiana falls in line with an idea for a forbidden zone between the empires of Maria Theresa and the Ottoman Sultan; Transylvannia.

Cheers,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com

abdul666lw21 Jul 2009 1:05 p.m. PST

Interestingly, the Final Fantasy costumes look quite those given to Atlanteans in some illos for Farmer's 'World of Tiers'. Too bad there are no Tekumelians link in 15mm: the heavier Tsolyani types look suited to be armed with flame-throwers…

Without fully endorsing the 'hollow Earth' model, and ignoring the question of photosynthesis, an underground Atlantis solves the problem of location and concealment / secrecy. Re Pellucidar en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellucidar Lost World link travel to the center of the Earth link
A few secret entrances in deep caverns opening in retired places -a slumbering volcano in some 'mysterious island /
islet', the underground levels of a ruined temple deep in the jungle link / the Himalaya (guarded by yetis, of course) / the Antartic link or some sunken city en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys -the Atlants may have some primitive scaphandres picture picture
The Agartha mythos en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agartha refers to a network of tunnels covering the whole Earth: while chemoluminescence ccould provide light, one may wonder about the ventilation: specially when crossing the oceans, thus the network may be limited to the Afro-Eurasian land 'block' (unless passing under the Behring Straits -including America would allow to include also the Bermuda Triangle…). This would explain why tales of contacts with an 'ancient race' of 'masters of wisdom' are reported from the Himalya (Agartha itself, often), Deep Africa (Benoit link Haggard link ), the Irish tumuli, hyperborean Thule (doesn't have to be far from a shore to stay 'undiscovered', if located between Greenland and the North Cape)…
Ruins from some elder civilization of 'giants': of glassy / vitreous green stone in Howard's Conan, their builders often assimilated by commentators to the Nephilim en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim (E.T. – human half-breeds -"when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them"?).
And among sunken vities, of course, R'lyeh en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%27lyeh

Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP22 Jul 2009 1:33 p.m. PST

abdul666lw … Without fully endorsing the 'hollow Earth' model, and ignoring the question of photosynthesis, an underground Atlantis solves the problem of location and concealment / secrecy.

Congratulations. You have discovered how my Atlanteans have been able to track the development of "foreign cultures" around the world. Those Atlanteans charged with the task of gathering information are able to move from land continent to continent in far less time than the fastest transportation on the surface.

As for where the exits to the surface are located, they shall have to remain secret. Just between the two of us, one does open into the Vatican archives, a most secretive and heavily guarded area. Which brings me to the next point of how well these envoys have simulated into 'foreign society'. Some Atlanteans have lived successful lives on the surface as church leaders, kings, politicians, entrepreneurs, and lawyers (not many).

As surface man with the assistance of technology and their natural curiosity, Atlanteans would in later times retreat to the deeper recesses of earth. But, that is for a later period; we are, or I still remain locked in the 18th century.

Salut,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com

abdul666lw26 Jul 2009 7:05 a.m. PST

Maybe future Splintered Light Minis Dark Elves (with spear or croosbow) will have some conversion potential?
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Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP26 Jul 2009 10:18 a.m. PST

For the crossbows, I had something a bit larger in mind; a model similar to the Chinese repeating crossbow;
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As for the flamethrowers, these just may work:
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Splintered Light have the right evil features, however, do require some converstion. With these opotions, I think I may have to sketch uniforms nnd possible colour schemes.

Thanks for the tip.

abdul666lw04 Aug 2009 2:34 a.m. PST

Relevant architecture?
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Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2009 4:07 a.m. PST

Everything, with the exception of the U-boot, says yes!

Checking some of the links I found this beautiful illustration:

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Viewing this, I could imagine the archipelago as a confederation of ruling houses, governed by an emperor plagued by internecine strife among some houses (Dune).

The outlying islands could then have a dominant landscape; desert, jungle, mountainous, etc; each molding the fighting characteristics of the inhabitants. The heart of the Empire would by contrast, be arable, full of waterways and a hige usesage of pastel colours in its architecture.

Thanks for the tip.
cheers,
Robert

abdul666lw05 Aug 2009 10:44 p.m. PST

A secret entrance?
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abdul666lw07 Aug 2009 10:57 p.m. PST

Atlantean architecture?
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Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP08 Aug 2009 10:22 p.m. PST

I loved the colour scheme. I can visualize troops similarly uniformed; robes or tunics of light ochre and helmets or hats of mid-blue, armed of couse with flame throwers and repeating crossbows.

BTW, if you have seen the Russian film 1612, there is a flame throwing, cannon firing mobile war machine painted red. That would make a lovely model.

Cheers

Warrenss209 Aug 2009 4:46 a.m. PST

robes or tunics of light ochre and helmets or hats of mid-blue – Yes, that's what I imagine too. Well at least the robes/togas.

After giving this more thought I can see the Atlanteans being more advanced in some areas. Remember, they were supposed to have civilization in full swing in ancient Greek times. But, then again, you might not want them too advanced… they'd be too powerful… an unstoppable force. Maybe that's what you want, but you got to give the rest of the world a chance against them.

Some possible areas of advancement…

Medicine – regeneration.

Philosophy – think Lost Horizons.

Steam Tech – faster ships, clanking battle robots.

Electricity – batteries recharged by solar panels.

Hidden knowledge – Cthulhu (they are a sea oriented kingdom), sorcery, human sacrifice?

abdul666lw11 Sep 2009 2:03 p.m. PST

Neither 18th C. nor on Earth, but visually not irrelevant, I feel: martianwarlords.blogspot.com

abdul666lw16 Oct 2009 4:20 a.m. PST

Troglodytic (Pueblo-like) buildings are likely in a subterranean habitat: re. the CC-Glenn M. exchange there:
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Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2009 12:35 p.m. PST

Your latest contributions are an inspiration. I love some of the alien terrain links, such beautiful colours.

This month, I should have some time to spare for my archipelago Ameri-go as all my terrain projects have been completed and we are now half way through our campaign in Bohemia.

merci,
Robert

abdul666lw24 Feb 2010 5:54 a.m. PST

OK, it's set some 1.5 century later than your own setting, and the minis don't seem to be of the scale ou use, but yet:
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Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP24 Feb 2010 3:45 p.m. PST

Thanks abdul666lw. The red robed priests carrying plasma guns(?)are rather interesting. The other unit of bronze-silver armoured with light blue fixtures are also great.

I have drawn sketches for my Atlantean infantry and played with a Legion organization uniformed in unique colour schemes. It should be a couple of weeks before these are posted to the blog with maps and sketches. I am also designing unit flags.

The HOTT lists Atlantean forces as shooters, flyers and a magician. This gives me some idea to form infantry units supported by "ornithopers". The magicians could concievably be an acadamy of scientists evolving cutting edge 18th technology.

cheers,

abdul666lw30 Mar 2010 3:55 a.m. PST

'Proxy' Atlanteans in 15mm: link
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Alternatively, Aztecs / Incas could provide interesting types?

Personal logo timurilank Supporting Member of TMP30 Mar 2010 3:16 p.m. PST

After our first game involving the Spanish and a Native Indian uprising we did talk about Atlanteans. I had been experimenting with trimming French fusiliers of their tricorn and building another headpiece with a stone set on a metal band (turban). A neckcloth would fall from underneath the metal band. As French fusiliers, they would have a typical coat, but no turnbacks. The generous coat would offer a nice area for a motief or design.

However, I am not happy about the amount of work, so I am looking for alternative figures which are musket/rifle armed with no further equipment.

I have two articles planned for the blog and afterwards I shall present my sketches and plans. Perhaps a reader could make a suggestion for a suitable figure?

Cheers,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com

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