"Divided We Fall--The 2nd American Civil War" Topic

I saw this trilogy of books by Trent Reedy while walking through the local library. They are in the young adult section. I burned through the first book in two days, and I am 100 pages into book 2. I am at the point where Idaho has declared itself a republic, and Texas has nullified the federal ID statute and mobilized its national guard. I like it, and a lot of good ideas for gaming a modern Second American Civil War.

California seceding is a realistic start. And then, like West Virginia, parts of California saying "Now, just hold on there!"

There's a book of the same name and same subject on Kindle by someone called Jack Strain. Available to read for free so I'll try that while looking for the one you've mentioned.

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edit Just found the Reedy book but apparently not available on Kindle.🙁

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Dixie 2000 has a brief, but interesting and pragmatic back story.

I'm definitely interested!

In a game, how soon is too soon for the "International Brigades" to show up on US soil to fight for the "Internationalist" side? Right after complete blockades are established around some of the large cities/counties? Or before that?

Could a Mexican Civil War be incorporated into the scenario? Maybe with the Cartels coming to "help" one side, possibly for the "Internationalist" cities/counties closer to the border?
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Americans are divided in many ways, but not along geographic state lines like the U.S. Civil War.

I agree. The next civil war would be like the ugly civil wars in most countries where neighbor fights against neighbor until little enclaves are established, then link together or get crushed. No saluting the little old woman flying the wrong flag; the next civil war, someone drags her out, rapes her, and shoots her.

The map would look a lot messier than that of the Spanish Civil War.

Dan

Americans are divided in many ways, but not along geographic state lines like the U.S. Civil War.

Yep, its more of an urban/rural divide than geographic. In this 2016 county voting map you see that HRC won the big cities and some related counties, DJT won the rest:

Even in California it breaks that way. HRC got about 60% of the vote in the state, dominated by the large metro areas

So there's really no way for a whole State to secede like the Democrats/Confederates did in 1861. The CalExit thing immediately runs into this. At least 40% of the population will not support it, and it just so happens they grow the food and generate the resources consumed by the cities that house those they may want to split. Not to mention all the Federal facilities -- do you think the sprawling military bases will secede? Nope -- and you have quite a few of those in CA.

So secession as happened in 1861 wouldn't occur. It would be different, and perhaps much shorter as San Francisco realizes that it doesn't do so well without food, water and electricity…

This isn't the 20s, 30s, or 40s where nationalism and pride in your country could invoke participation in a war. Our society here in the U.S. is far too affluent and the population verging on apathetic, with most having too much to lose, whether it's wealth, entertainment streaming, etc.. While many people threaten a second civil war the likelihood of one happening is virtually nil.

All these negative waves.
CC, maybe a military coup in Mexico by a headline general who wants to take advantage of the instability in the U.S.

That should read "hardline" general.

In that voting map you'll notice that the areas where HRC won, are mostly "consumers" whereas the red areas are "producers", so while the blue areas may be powerful, they'll soon be tightening their belts and feel that hollow gnawing pang of an empty belly….

That's why the "International Brigades" (of "freedom fighter" volunteers from around the globe), and the border Cartels and even the UN will all break the blockade in many of those cities and thus prolong the game.

China would love to step forward and take on UN peacekeeping mission to the US West Coast. So they start off with figures wearing blue helmets:

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Northern European nations will probably take on the UN Peacekeeping missions to the Northeast and other places.

Dan

We may be having a generally bloodless ACW 2.0 right now …

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You mean like a "Cold" ACW? :)

Well, some people are always looking for a way to "agitate" and change that "holding pattern".

Dan

Yeah that sounds about right … a Cold ACW[so far] …

Looks like Fresno's leaders already seceded:

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Glad to see the Silent Majority … spoke up … needs to happen more often, IMO …

Yeah those were pretty good books. If there was a 2nd Civil War I think both sides would lose because it would provide a perfect opportunity for countries like Russia and China to take advantage of our troubles for their benefit. If we are fighting each other then Russia could invade the Baltics, UYkraine, Poland etc. Sure the Europeans can fight, but how long will they last against the Russian military. Britain and France might have a chance since they have nukes so they can threaten Russia in order to save their lands. China could go after Taiwan and other places. In the end the US will be devastated, whoever "wins" won't be strong enough to fix the problems in the world our civil war created.

There are two major problems with looking at election maps as a means of trying to decide who would be on what side of a potential civil war:

First, single member districts produce a winner take all effect but reality is that most of the districts don't have a large majority on any one side, there are plenty of folks who are on the opposite side of the winner in any given district.

Second, there are more Americans who don't vote than do so the sample size is not comprehensive enough to draw a valid conclusion.

so who will be the first to use a nuke on home ground?

Wardog, I figure it would be whoever is in control of the government since it would be hard for non government factions to launch a nuke. I know if a nuke fell into my lap I would be like, "How do you set this thing off? Where is my hammer?" LOL!!

I think the USA fell sometime last week. But no one noticed. It was not reported in the news media. So it probably didn't happen. Or again, no one cared or cared enough to notice …

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"so who will be the first to use a nuke on home ground?"

Silly to think for even a moment a nuke would be required to bring us down.

The divide has already begun, widening by the day, and the foundation for total separation grows as I type.

Blood will be let and another sad chapter is yet to be written.

The divide has already begun, widening by the day, and the foundation for total separation grows as I type.

Yes, and nukes don't or won't have anything to do with it ….