Cacique Caribe | 21 May 2012 9:59 p.m. PST |
I will soon start work on my cavern/mine tiles. I plan to follow the example shown here:
TMP link TMP link However . . . as nice as those tiles look, that won't be enough. That alone does not make it look like a dilapidated complex from the year 802,701 AD. So, instead of just having a plain/generic cave or tunnel system, I would love for it to look like it was made for Morlocks, either the style of the 1960 Time Machine film or the 2002 remake. Morlock complex, 1960 style:
link Concept drawings for the 2002 film: link QUESTION: So . . . are there specific bits you suggest I buy/make that could make a cave system look more like a Morlock complex? Thanks, Dan link link TMP link TMP link |
AVAMANGO | 22 May 2012 2:50 a.m. PST |
Stalagmites or are they stalactites that form from the ground up, either way they are very easy to make by simply twisting a length of semi cured modeling putty that should add a bit of character to your subterranean complex. Bones possibly some fossils sticking out from the cavern walls and loads of debris could easily fill up loads of the passage ways
|
kreoseus2 | 22 May 2012 3:16 a.m. PST |
Elloi, and maybe some smaller versions of the big morlock stone head from the surface, possibly with some kind of altar ? Ancient machinery & decayed computers. Samantha mumba ? cages for prisioners.. nothing from our time would survive but you want to give the impression of a successor culture , possibly using ancient tech as the focus for religious practice ? a bitching time machine with polished brass and a sy walnut dashboard
|
kreoseus2 | 22 May 2012 3:27 a.m. PST |
Also, from the 60s version, I seem to remember surface dwellers had built towers, so there must have been several interveening cultures between us and the eloi/morlocks. Bits of their culture could be looted by the morlocks. |
mxconnell | 22 May 2012 7:42 a.m. PST |
I tnink one clear distinction is that the tiles you show in the first photo are clearly man made. Straight lines and right angles. The sixties verion looked more like natural caves and caverns. Now whether it was once man made and the passage of eons stallagmites and stallagtites formed is unclear. I would think you would need: - Natural passageways and caverns, stone causeways. Everything should be curvey. - Odd distillery looking equipment - Odd rock outcroppings,stallagmites & stallagnites - The occasional free standing pools of ick - Gausey kind of shear "Doorways" And I'd go 60s all the way. While concepts for the 2002 movie were interesting, the 60s version is iconic. Martin |
Cacique Caribe | 22 May 2012 11:59 a.m. PST |
Recap, so far: - Lift off sections to use the caves; - Stalagmites; - Bones possibly some fossils sticking out from the cavern walls and loads of debris; - Smaller versions of the big morlock stone head from the surface, possibly with some kind of altar; - "Ancient" machinery and decayed computers (futuristic to us); - Cages for prisioners; - Nothing from our time would survive but you want to give the impression of a successor culture; - There must have been several interveening cultures between us and the eloi/morlocks. Bits of their culture could be looted by the morlocks; - Mix man-made tunnels with natural cavern formations; - Include distillery-looking equipment; - Pools of filth; - Thin cloth partitions for doors; and - Go more with the 1960 look Examples of the style in the original film: link link link So far, so good. All do-able, though I think that the bones and skulls are going to be tough in 15mm, but I'll give it a shot. I guess I'll have to improvise also with the machinery bits. I need to make sure they don't look too much like stuff from our time, but still somewhat recognizable as machinery, albeit with a lot of patches and crude repair work done by the Morlocks later. Without lots of crudely-built machinery, and copious amounts of scavenged material from facilities above ground, the Morlock lair would be pretty much indistinguishable from an Orc cave:
TMP link Anything else guys? Thanks, Dan link link |
AVAMANGO | 22 May 2012 8:41 p.m. PST |
To add some more natural effects to the subterranean caverns you could add patches of crystals, arrow miniatures have a extensive clear/ coloured resin range of them in their fantasy section starting from just a few dollas. link As for the fossils and bones you could try some micro machines dinosaurs skeletons from their Natural geographic range, E-Bay would be the best place for them i would imagine. |
Cacique Caribe | 22 May 2012 10:01 p.m. PST |
Excellent. A few small crystals here and there would be a nice touch!!! Dan |
kreoseus2 | 22 May 2012 10:46 p.m. PST |
If you can get a plastic skeleton kit in 28mm , like the old GW skeleton army, you could use them unassembled. Maybe some underground animals or even the morlock equivelent of dogs. What about cave-ins, completely or partially blocked tunnels ? |
Cacique Caribe | 22 May 2012 10:56 p.m. PST |
- Some underground animals or even the morlock equivalent of dogs Wow. Love that idea. Got suggestions on what could pass for a Morlock "dog" in 15mm? How about these Khurasan Gopher Wolves?
link Or have you got another favorite? TMP link TMP link - Cave-ins, completely or partially blocked tunnels Something like this, perhaps?
link Dan |
kreoseus2 | 23 May 2012 2:33 a.m. PST |
What about something that has evolved to prey on morlocks, a cave worm or similar or maybe something reptilian, a sewer alligator type thing ? How about the morlocks themselves, is there workers/hunter/warrior castes that look distinctive ? Are the females in the morlock groups or is there breeding pens like orcs ? Do rival groups of morlocks raid each other (the way some ant species do) for food/prisioners/slaves (the same thing to a morlock) or just headhunting. Would it be overground or would they tunnel into each others cave systems. Would there be other underground remnants, sewers, nuclear bunkers, subway train systems. Would there be volcanic features, fissures, lava pools, hot mud and water/steam spouts
Maybe bigger morlocks, their ogres or cave trolls, possibly kept by their smaller cousins as workers/warriors or objects of worship, or possibly living wild in the cave system preying on morlocks
Phil |
Cacique Caribe | 25 May 2012 11:24 p.m. PST |
Excellent ideas! Also, do you see any way this material could be incorporated into the 6" x 6" tiles, or is it too much trouble to try?
TMP link Thanks, Dan |
deflatermouse | 26 May 2012 2:02 p.m. PST |
is this of help with ideas? YouTube link YouTube link 6.11mins in As you can see, Morlocks may already be here, not just in the shape of things to come. The aquarium walls are excellent ( I hope to get a set). Definitely atmosphere can be helped with the painting of the tunnel walls in the Technocolor scheme (violets, indigo,yellows etc)rather than just greys. |
Cacique Caribe | 26 May 2012 8:08 p.m. PST |
What if I used 40K Tau architecture as the model for the above-ground ruined structures in 802,701 AD? TMP link Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 31 May 2012 7:57 p.m. PST |
I bought one of these a while back . . . for an entirely different purpose:
TMP link TMP link But, do you think it could be used for either the Morlock lair itself (as a pumping station or something like that), or as part of the stuff above ground? Dan |
munchausen | 05 Jun 2012 9:41 p.m. PST |
The book describes a "Palace of Green Porcelain" gutenberg.org/ebooks/35 What that means exactly, only Wells knows, but sounded like a cool image, |
Cacique Caribe | 05 Jun 2012 9:45 p.m. PST |
Like this?
link This is from the 1960 film:
link This screenshot is from a deleted scene of the 2002 film, right before he jumps to the time of the Eloi and Morlocks:
link Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 05 Jun 2012 10:43 p.m. PST |
Here's a clearer screenshot:
link Actual reading: YouTube link Guys, I hadn't seen this cartoonist's work before:
link
link They remind me a little of this:
link link Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 29 Sep 2012 1:58 p.m. PST |
This cheesy film, "What Waits Below" (1985) has what look like proto-Morlocks: YouTube link Weird stuff. Dan |
Kyn ell | 29 Sep 2012 3:52 p.m. PST |
A good and easy way to make fossil/skeletal/whatever remains in a wall section easy is to get a load of plasticene, some models or real fossils etc to make impressions with, and some real stones with a nice surface, get the clay, make a large piece flat with a rolling pin, cut into a base the same size as your wall, build up the sides so you now have a casting trench. Push your skellies/fossils into the bottomto form a relief, then pour some stone plaster, plaster of paris or even wall filler and leave to set, its better if you get stone plaster as its really strong, the others are prone to being more soft and can break easy. after each bit is done, you can rework the mould as its plasticene and keep doing it until you have enough, or run out of plaster. Spacecraft interior walls can be done like this (but with shapes and panel looking bits used as a stamp) or alien type corridors, and more! |
Psyckosama | 29 Sep 2012 4:45 p.m. PST |
|
Cacique Caribe | 20 Mar 2013 8:44 p.m. PST |
Tesla coils? Check this out then: TMP link Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 24 Apr 2013 12:55 p.m. PST |
Guys, CHECK THIS OUT
simerida.com/courses/cenotes.php
link THIS HERE (the link below) could be the genesis of the whole upper and lower dwellers class separation, and for why the lower dwellers end up being the providers for those living topside: TMP link Dan |
War Monkey | 24 Apr 2013 1:22 p.m. PST |
Ok love this that you posted just need to add some old crusty tech parts and Bones! Somewhere I saw a site that had 15mm skulls
|
War Monkey | 24 Apr 2013 1:26 p.m. PST |
|
Cacique Caribe | 24 Apr 2013 1:27 p.m. PST |
|
Cacique Caribe | 24 Apr 2013 1:27 p.m. PST |
LOL. Great (and twisted) minds think alike!!! Dan |
War Monkey | 24 Apr 2013 1:39 p.m. PST |
Irregular Miniatures has skeletons that one could chop up as well rib cage here arms legs here and there
link |
War Monkey | 24 Apr 2013 1:43 p.m. PST |
That cavern one can be used for other adventures as well, dungeon crawls, pulp adventures thanks for the link saved it |
War Monkey | 26 Apr 2013 11:57 p.m. PST |
Ok be giving this some thought take this
and this
combine them and they should make a really nice subterranean lair some catwalks and overhead pipes a city that has be covered over |
TheBeast | 27 Apr 2013 6:53 a.m. PST |
Morlocks don't have proper lairs. They've no cavern decorating sense at all! ;->= Love the last ideas; VERY evocative. Oh, CC, I can't believe your query about the toy mikes never generated a picture of Blake's 7 Liberator. I know it looks like four duct taped together, though I've seen WIP photos, and it was fiendishly clever cobbling for what resulted. ;->= By the by, the mikes would make great techno pillars in the cavern, best cut off and topped with rock ceiling with a few stalactites, and stone accreted to the pillar sides. Doug |
War Monkey | 27 Apr 2013 12:09 p.m. PST |
Thinking more like this maybe
with more of stalagmite grown to the buildings |
Cacique Caribe | 27 Apr 2013 2:44 p.m. PST |
Guys, For making debris piles in the corridors, check these out
Plastic canvas pieces (granny grating), 7, 10 and 14 mesh:
Lego bits:
Scrap polystyrene pieces and plasticard punch outs:
Bits from pens, mechanical pencils, screws and screw anchors:
Assorted pieces from drawer organizer, drink stirs, brand new (unused) ear scope tips, and lots of other scrap:
Cookie trays that will be chopped for their moulded bits:
LOTS more pics: link So, what do you guys think? Thanks, Dan TMP link |
War Monkey | 27 Apr 2013 5:40 p.m. PST |
I really like what you have going on there, can't wait to see what you come up with |
War Monkey | 09 May 2013 11:01 a.m. PST |
Spiral seashells for stalagmites
quick, easy and cheap. Rather cool looking too |