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UK John01 Jun 2011 8:56 a.m. PST

Still studying the rulebook but there are many little improvements and tweaks that make me wonder if the whole is better than WAB.

Stuff like you have to nominate all your targets at the start of the firing phase and use of diagrams to clear up any ambiguity……

darthfozzywig Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2011 9:36 a.m. PST

Wait, wait, I'm confused. Is this another UK John thread jabbing at WAB?

I thought you had already settled the matter: WAB is dead, no one plays it and the new shiny games are better.

Who asked this joker01 Jun 2011 9:46 a.m. PST

Still studying the rulebook but there are many little improvements and tweaks that make me wonder if the whole is better than WAB.

Stuff like you have to nominate all your targets at the start of the firing phase and use of diagrams to clear up any ambiguity……

You own both and presumably will have played both at sometime. Why don't you tell us what you think when the time comes?

aecurtis Fezian01 Jun 2011 10:09 a.m. PST

I was just reading that you can use evening primrose oil for ADHD.

Allen

Midpoint01 Jun 2011 10:37 a.m. PST

'I was just reading that you can use evening primrose oil for ADHD'

Is that fourth edition ADHD, or under the D20 licence?

Paul Hurst01 Jun 2011 10:39 a.m. PST

Midpoint, that's darn funny!

brucka01 Jun 2011 10:40 a.m. PST

Probably due to the essential fatty acids – go with a borage,flax seed and good quality cod liver oil too to round out the Primrose oil.

Sane Max01 Jun 2011 11:10 a.m. PST

Wait, wait, I'm confused. Is this another UK John thread jabbing at WAB?

Can you point me to any OTHER sort of UK John Thread?

Pat

JJartist01 Jun 2011 11:19 a.m. PST

UK John is Dead.
I hope I haven't offended the Beatles.

Sane Max01 Jun 2011 12:49 p.m. PST

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I have no evidence at all that UK John is personally involved in CoE and thus has a reason for banging on like this.

No Evidence at all.

Pat

Stuart at Great Escape Games Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Jun 2011 12:51 p.m. PST

That's right, Pat, I am in fact the only person associated with CoE who posts on TMP.

Sane Max01 Jun 2011 12:59 p.m. PST

You are? excellent. If you meet UK John can you suggest he changes tactics, as he is making me want to shove a copy up his Great Escape?

Pat

Caesar01 Jun 2011 1:05 p.m. PST

Bah, Sock Puppet accusations?

Seems to me that UK John is just an angry ex-WABbit.

"WAB" does have a harder sound than "CoE" when it rolls off the tongue.

Sane Max01 Jun 2011 1:12 p.m. PST

yes, but none of us WAB players can grasp why he is so aaaaaaaaangreeeee. Nobody has confiscated his rules, or his supplements. I have had a fair few games of WAB recently, nobody sent me a Cease and Desist Letter.

If UK john just started a "I don't like playing games if I don't think I am in the 'In' Crowd!" thread, and then had a good old rant, we would none of us respect him less. It's this snide drizzle of threads with titles like "I have some sort of growth WAB or Syphilis?" or "New Poll WAB at what point did it die and hand its crown to Clash of Empires?" that gets my Ancipital.

Pat

Manflesh01 Jun 2011 1:43 p.m. PST

I don't play WAB, but I thought that UK John was involved with 'Clash of Empires'. I mean, not in a sock puppet kind of way, but I just assumed that it was open knowledge!

I didn't think it was that big a deal; it's only one ruleset that he's slating. If he wanted to pave COE's way to glory, he'd have started threads on how Hail Caesar is bound in Swine Flu, and how the forthcoming War and Conquest ruleset is being written in collaboration with the Westboro Baptist Church.

He wouldn't have to say anything about Field of Glory though (just kidding guys:-)).

Must get hold of Clash of Empires at some point- more rules I'll never play, but love to read.

Leigh

Sane Max01 Jun 2011 2:08 p.m. PST

If he wanted to pave COE's way to glory, he'd have started threads on how Hail Caesar is bound in Swine Flu

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and hey! let's not leave out the minority games!

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JJMicromegas01 Jun 2011 2:38 p.m. PST


Must get hold of Clash of Empires at some point- more rules I'll never play, but love to read.

I always find it fascinating when people say they enjoy reading rules, it's like saying one enjoys reading instruction manuals.

Sane Max01 Jun 2011 2:44 p.m. PST

No, I disagree a well written set of rules that is good to read, does not use fudgey language and prevents arguments is always worth buying for a read on the bog.

Someone let me know if they come across one.

Pat

UK John01 Jun 2011 3:06 p.m. PST

@Sane Max

Applying logic if someone asks a question "Is A better than B" there is no imputation that either A or B is superior…….

Sorry to mention this but still playing WAB, my Arabs against a mates Carolingians. But learning up on the CoE rules so maybe swop over.

Actually have nothing against the rules but more the way they have been treated.

If you read other threads have also been trying out HC with mates.

For WaC the rulebook is awaited for comparison.

aecurtis Fezian01 Jun 2011 3:14 p.m. PST

"Someone let me know if they come across one."

Lend you my copy of "Shock of Impact"?

Allen

UK John01 Jun 2011 3:21 p.m. PST

Is Shock of Impact a better ruleset than WAB?

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2011 3:31 p.m. PST

Is Shock of Impact a better ruleset than WAB?

Is Ford better than Chevy? White wine or red? Heinlein or Drake? Packet of Crisps or Bag of Chips? Nestle or Cadbury? Soccer or Cricket?

It's like your family: it's all relative. Play what YOU like and stop worry about what other folks like. There is no right or wrong here.

RelliK01 Jun 2011 4:22 p.m. PST

Stuart,

Thanks allot!

Mike

John the OFM01 Jun 2011 5:38 p.m. PST

Is Shock of Impact a better ruleset than WAB?

I have no idea, but if you ask Connard Sage real nice, he may sell you Newbury Slow Play Ancients.

BTW, when you start a thread like this, please define "better" better. Some think so, some do not. That's the only realistic or honest answer you can get. There is NO objective answer.

Who asked this joker01 Jun 2011 5:50 p.m. PST

Lend you my copy of "Shock of Impact"?

Don't do it. You won't survive the experience.

Caesar01 Jun 2011 8:32 p.m. PST

"I always find it fascinating when people say they enjoy reading rules, it's like saying one enjoys reading instruction manuals."

I enjoy reading rules. I like looking at systems, particularly if they are clever, even if I never play with them. I suppose that's why I studied mathematics, enjoyed algebra more than calculus and find the most exciting parts of my job are the ones that everyone else complains gives them headaches.

Fishbuckle01 Jun 2011 11:00 p.m. PST

"I always find it fascinating when people say they enjoy reading rules, it's like saying one enjoys reading instruction manuals."

I like reading rules because they inspire me and make me think about the kind of games I will have with them. Sometimes I get them just to read and may never use them, like Rogue Trader. Plus with my time being so limited to actually play at the moment, reading rules makes me ponder mechanics and how various tactics will play out.

But instruction manuals? No thanks. :)

(Sorry for the thread derail)

meledward2302 Jun 2011 4:27 a.m. PST

""I always find it fascinating when people say they enjoy reading rules, it's like saying one enjoys reading instruction manuals."

I enjoy reading rules. I like looking at systems, particularly if they are clever, even if I never play with them."

-Caesar

I am with this.

Marcus Brutus02 Jun 2011 5:58 a.m. PST

And Shock of Impact was a brilliant set of rules even if they were almost unplayable. They were the first ancient rules set that differentiated between impact and melee.

Jeremy Sutcliffe02 Jun 2011 7:18 a.m. PST

What's the Church of England (CofE) got to do with Ancients. It wasn't established until Tudor times.

Jeremy Sutcliffe02 Jun 2011 7:19 a.m. PST

What's the Church of England (CoE) got to do with Ancients? It wasn't established until Tudor times.

BlackKnight02 Jun 2011 9:43 a.m. PST

I have not tried CoE but in the spirit of TMP let me say that I think Hail Caesar is better than WAB.

BelgianRay02 Jun 2011 11:57 a.m. PST

"I have not tried CoE but in the spirit of TMP let me say that I think Hail Caesar is better than WAB"

This is ludicrous….

Griefbringer02 Jun 2011 12:37 p.m. PST

UK John is Dead.
I hope I haven't offended the Beatles.

I thought it was Beatles that was dead?

Who asked this joker02 Jun 2011 12:37 p.m. PST

This is ludicrous….

Isn't that the point?

brevior est vita02 Jun 2011 12:46 p.m. PST

If you enjoy the rules you play and have fun, it doesn't really matter what anyone else does.

quidveritas02 Jun 2011 1:53 p.m. PST

If you enjoy the rules you play and have fun, it doesn't really matter what anyone else does.

Sadly, if you ever step out of your basement, it does matter to some extent. It also matters if you are attempting to interest others in your 'game'.

WAB has little to do with Hail Caesar -- rather different games, each with its own appeal.

Have not bought CoE and don't plan on doing so unless I get a chance to play it at a Con and it really shines through.

mjc

brevior est vita02 Jun 2011 2:25 p.m. PST

Sadly, if you ever step out of your basement, it does matter to some extent.

Here in southern Florida, we generally don't have basements. wink

WAB has little to do with Hail Caesar -- rather different games, each with its own appeal.

Agree 100% with that one. thumbs up

UK John02 Jun 2011 3:12 p.m. PST

Some people have drawn a closer comparison between HC and Warmaster. But I don't think folks play HC in 10mm – not that there is any reason not to.

I was thinking of the from – to comparison. For example people might migrate from WH40K to Warmachine but unlikely to go from FoW to Warmachine being rather dissimilar.

@John the OFM the problem is most people evaluate rule systems on different criteria like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So I can't determine other people's criteria for them. What works for me might not for you.

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