"Is CoE a better ruleset than WAB?" Topic

Still studying the rulebook but there are many little improvements and tweaks that make me wonder if the whole is better than WAB.

Stuff like you have to nominate all your targets at the start of the firing phase and use of diagrams to clear up any ambiguity……

Wait, wait, I'm confused. Is this another UK John thread jabbing at WAB?

I thought you had already settled the matter: WAB is dead, no one plays it and the new shiny games are better.

Still studying the rulebook but there are many little improvements and tweaks that make me wonder if the whole is better than WAB.

Stuff like you have to nominate all your targets at the start of the firing phase and use of diagrams to clear up any ambiguity……

You own both and presumably will have played both at sometime. Why don't you tell us what you think when the time comes?

I was just reading that you can use evening primrose oil for ADHD.

Allen

'I was just reading that you can use evening primrose oil for ADHD'

Is that fourth edition ADHD, or under the D20 licence?

Midpoint, that's darn funny!

Probably due to the essential fatty acids – go with a borage,flax seed and good quality cod liver oil too to round out the Primrose oil.

Wait, wait, I'm confused. Is this another UK John thread jabbing at WAB?

Can you point me to any OTHER sort of UK John Thread?

Pat

UK John is Dead.
I hope I haven't offended the Beatles.

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I have no evidence at all that UK John is personally involved in CoE and thus has a reason for banging on like this.

No Evidence at all.

Pat

That's right, Pat, I am in fact the only person associated with CoE who posts on TMP.

You are? excellent. If you meet UK John can you suggest he changes tactics, as he is making me want to shove a copy up his Great Escape?

Pat

Bah, Sock Puppet accusations?

Seems to me that UK John is just an angry ex-WABbit.

"WAB" does have a harder sound than "CoE" when it rolls off the tongue.

yes, but none of us WAB players can grasp why he is so aaaaaaaaangreeeee. Nobody has confiscated his rules, or his supplements. I have had a fair few games of WAB recently, nobody sent me a Cease and Desist Letter.

If UK john just started a "I don't like playing games if I don't think I am in the 'In' Crowd!" thread, and then had a good old rant, we would none of us respect him less. It's this snide drizzle of threads with titles like "I have some sort of growth – WAB or Syphilis?" or "New Poll – WAB – at what point did it die and hand its crown to Clash of Empires?" that gets my Ancipital.

Pat

I don't play WAB, but I thought that UK John was involved with 'Clash of Empires'. I mean, not in a sock puppet kind of way, but I just assumed that it was open knowledge!

I didn't think it was that big a deal; it's only one ruleset that he's slating. If he wanted to pave COE's way to glory, he'd have started threads on how Hail Caesar is bound in Swine Flu, and how the forthcoming War and Conquest ruleset is being written in collaboration with the Westboro Baptist Church.

He wouldn't have to say anything about Field of Glory though (just kidding guys:-)).

Must get hold of Clash of Empires at some point- more rules I'll never play, but love to read.

Leigh

If he wanted to pave COE's way to glory, he'd have started threads on how Hail Caesar is bound in Swine Flu

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and hey! let's not leave out the minority games!

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Must get hold of Clash of Empires at some point- more rules I'll never play, but love to read.

I always find it fascinating when people say they enjoy reading rules, it's like saying one enjoys reading instruction manuals.

No, I disagree – a well written set of rules that is good to read, does not use fudgey language and prevents arguments is always worth buying for a read on the bog.

Someone let me know if they come across one.

Pat

@Sane Max

Applying logic if someone asks a question "Is A better than B" there is no imputation that either A or B is superior…….

Sorry to mention this but still playing WAB, my Arabs against a mates Carolingians. But learning up on the CoE rules so maybe swop over.

Actually have nothing against the rules but more the way they have been treated.

If you read other threads have also been trying out HC with mates.

For WaC the rulebook is awaited for comparison.

"Someone let me know if they come across one."

Lend you my copy of "Shock of Impact"?

Allen

Is Shock of Impact a better ruleset than WAB?

Is Shock of Impact a better ruleset than WAB?

Is Ford better than Chevy? White wine or red? Heinlein or Drake? Packet of Crisps or Bag of Chips? Nestle or Cadbury? Soccer or Cricket?

It's like your family: it's all relative. Play what YOU like and stop worry about what other folks like. There is no right or wrong here.

Stuart,

Thanks allot!

Mike

Is Shock of Impact a better ruleset than WAB?

I have no idea, but if you ask Connard Sage real nice, he may sell you Newbury Slow Play Ancients.

BTW, when you start a thread like this, please define "better" better. Some think so, some do not. That's the only realistic or honest answer you can get. There is NO objective answer.

Lend you my copy of "Shock of Impact"?

Don't do it. You won't survive the experience.

"I always find it fascinating when people say they enjoy reading rules, it's like saying one enjoys reading instruction manuals."

I enjoy reading rules. I like looking at systems, particularly if they are clever, even if I never play with them. I suppose that's why I studied mathematics, enjoyed algebra more than calculus and find the most exciting parts of my job are the ones that everyone else complains gives them headaches.

"I always find it fascinating when people say they enjoy reading rules, it's like saying one enjoys reading instruction manuals."

I like reading rules because they inspire me and make me think about the kind of games I will have with them. Sometimes I get them just to read and may never use them, like Rogue Trader. Plus with my time being so limited to actually play at the moment, reading rules makes me ponder mechanics and how various tactics will play out.

But instruction manuals? No thanks. :)

(Sorry for the thread derail)

""I always find it fascinating when people say they enjoy reading rules, it's like saying one enjoys reading instruction manuals."

I enjoy reading rules. I like looking at systems, particularly if they are clever, even if I never play with them."

-Caesar

I am with this.

And Shock of Impact was a brilliant set of rules even if they were almost unplayable. They were the first ancient rules set that differentiated between impact and melee.

What's the Church of England (CofE) got to do with Ancients. It wasn't established until Tudor times.

What's the Church of England (CoE) got to do with Ancients? It wasn't established until Tudor times.

I have not tried CoE but in the spirit of TMP let me say that I think Hail Caesar is better than WAB.

"I have not tried CoE but in the spirit of TMP let me say that I think Hail Caesar is better than WAB"

This is ludicrous….

UK John is Dead.
I hope I haven't offended the Beatles.

I thought it was Beatles that was dead?

This is ludicrous….

Isn't that the point?

If you enjoy the rules you play and have fun, it doesn't really matter what anyone else does.

If you enjoy the rules you play and have fun, it doesn't really matter what anyone else does.

Sadly, if you ever step out of your basement, it does matter to some extent. It also matters if you are attempting to interest others in your 'game'.

WAB has little to do with Hail Caesar -- rather different games, each with its own appeal.

Have not bought CoE and don't plan on doing so unless I get a chance to play it at a Con and it really shines through.

mjc

Sadly, if you ever step out of your basement, it does matter to some extent.

Here in southern Florida, we generally don't have basements.

WAB has little to do with Hail Caesar -- rather different games, each with its own appeal.

Agree 100% with that one.

Some people have drawn a closer comparison between HC and Warmaster. But I don't think folks play HC in 10mm – not that there is any reason not to.

I was thinking of the from – to comparison. For example people might migrate from WH40K to Warmachine but unlikely to go from FoW to Warmachine being rather dissimilar.

@John the OFM the problem is most people evaluate rule systems on different criteria like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So I can't determine other people's criteria for them. What works for me might not for you.