| Cacique Caribe | 21 Apr 2006 8:47 a.m. PST |
WE NEED TUGARS!!!! But what scale? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_Cry "Tugar race: The Tugars are a horde of alien humanoids that devour humans as "cattle", circling the world and devouring one-fifth of the people in each city-state roughly every 20 years. However the men of the 35th have a substantial advantage over the beings of this world: guns. The Tugars are biologically very close to humans, and can contract some of the same diseases. They evolved on another world and resemble humans due to convergent evolution. They spread from world to world by "tunnels of light", which are wormholes their ancestors built. They are proportioned like humans, but are eight- to ten-feet (2.4–3.0 m) tall. Their bodies and faces are covered with short hair and they have large canine teeth. They have apelike faces, but their bodies are Herculean in build and of handsome appearance. They ride horses of very large breed due to their stature. Tugar society is ruled by males with their females taking no significant social, political, or military role, quite unlike human nomads. They are very good mounted archers, shooting four-foot-long (1.2 m) arrows. It is revealed that the Tugars are a fallen race that once had a great intersteller civilization. The Tugars no longer understand how their ancestors invented the "tunnels of light" and one Tugar in the series jokes to a human that he will show him the location of one, "for a price." There are other hordes of the same aliens, called the Merki and Bantag. Many humans just call all the aliens "Tugars" by definition. They received their horses and perhaps some of their nomadic culture from the Earth. The Tugars say that in the past they have visited the Earth, and they vaguely resemble the Bigfoot. The Tugars do not understand why Colonel Keene wants to fight them; in a conference the Tugar ruler told Keene that they protected the "cattle" when they first were settled on Valennia, and in any event the Tugars eat only 20% of the humans before they move on. The Tugars rely on humans for all the food and manufactured goods to maintain their [[nomad]ic way of life. Human "pets" follow the Tugar hordes, and are expected to eat what their masters do, and fight alongside their masters while seeing fellow humans murdered, butchered, and devoured as a routine matter. Most Tugars think that humans are simply inferior and have no souls, and cannot imagine that they would revolt rather than accept the status quo. The Tugars are very conservative. They know they rely on the human "cattle" for all their needs, make nothing by themselves and are far outnumbered by humans. Some think their dependence on the human "cattle" threatens them with eventual extinction, but the rank-and-file Tugar would rather keep matters exactly as they are. The Tugars have encountered at least two other alien races on Valennia, brought there via the tunnels of light. One was a human-sized, Tugar-like hairy humanoid, and became "cattle" like humans; the other was non-humanoid with very advanced weapons. Once the Tugars destroyed the advanced aliens by force of numbers they refused to copy their weapons and threw them into the sea. The Tugars also encountered two human pirate ships brought through the tunnel of light. They captured one and said "they killed many Tugars before we feasted on them" but likewise refused to copy the pirate's guns."
__________________________________________ I guess that, at "eight- to ten-feet (2.4–3.0 m) tall", for 28-30mm humans (ACW and medieval Russians), the Tugars will have to be 40-50mm tall. A bit big. Now, if we are dealing with 15mm humans, then 25-28mm Tugars would work. I cannot believe it! This is the first time in my life I am actually considering doing 15mm. CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 21 Apr 2006 8:54 a.m. PST |
"They ride horses of very large breed due to their stature. . . They are very good mounted archers, shooting four-foot-long (1.2 m) arrows." I guess no short "Mongolian" ponies for them! CC |
| Roberto Cofresi | 21 Apr 2006 9:00 a.m. PST |
These do not look like any <<Mongolian>> ponies to me:
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| Roberto Cofresi | 21 Apr 2006 9:06 a.m. PST |
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| Lowtardog | 21 Apr 2006 9:16 a.m. PST |
15mm CC plenty of ACW out there for that, Have you thought of using 20mm for humans? I know Newline design have quite an extensive range |
| Cacique Caribe | 21 Apr 2006 11:33 a.m. PST |
I guess a few of their cavalry could be made to hold banners . . . I guess the reason why I have not jumped in on the Ebob bandwagon is that I don't think it is a complete range yet. Though their "Greenroom" looks promising:
link Fantastic figures. But, before committing I would need to see the cavalry completed. CC |
| Irish Marine | 21 Apr 2006 12:19 p.m. PST |
I want to know when the next bloody book is coming out!? Its been long enough and no bloody explanation from the author on his website! |
| Chupacabras | 21 Apr 2006 3:11 p.m. PST |
Here is another good description (though lengthy), if anyone is interested in tackling them as a range: "The Tugar are a race of large humanoid bipeds that are as alien to the world of Valdennia as humans are, although they have been on the world far longer. Averaging 8 ft in height, they are known to grow as tall as 10 ft and are always powerfully built with it. Coarse brown hair covers their bodies although it is finer on their faces. It hangs from both legs and arms. Their fingers end in claw-like nails and their dull yellow teeth are sharp as well, especially the large canines. Their physiology and biology is very close to humans and they are susceptible to the same diseases (such as smallpox). On Valdennia they are split amongst three large nomadic bands. The Tugar horde ride the Northern steppes. Their traditional enemies, the 'Merki' ride the equatorial band and South of them range the 'Batang'. Each band is extremely territorial and will willingly go to war over it were another band to incur upon it. As such there is no name for this race, and although each band regards each other as an enemy all are part of the 'Chosen Race'. There have been at least two other hordes of the Chosen, but these have been destroyed in the constant war that takes place between each horde. Each band moves as one, in huge cities of tents known as 'yurts'. Each yurt is a tent like a up-turned bowl 20 ft in diameter and 10 ft tall. Some yurts reach 100 ft in diameter, but the largest one is reserved for the 'Qar Qarth' or king of kings. The Tugar or Northern horde consists of 70,000 yurts making up 20 clans. The chief of each clan meets in a council which defers all decisions to the Qar Qarth. Whilst there may be verbal dissent amongst the clan chiefs, there is rarely open defiance against the Qar Qarth. Such dissent would either lead to a fight to the death which in most cases the Qar Qarth would win as the strongest or the separation of the clans and thus civil war amongst them. Such a war would be looked upon as a golden opportunity for the other hordes. The society of the 'Chosen Race' is highly patriarchal in nature and the women, of which the men may take many wives, are relegated to child bearing and serving the needs of the husbands and men. Measuring time in 'circlings', the Tugar circle the Northern Steppes approximately once every twenty years. They stop at each city of humans once per circling and from it harvest both the produce of the humans, whom they refer to as 'cattle', but also two out of every ten of the healthy population as well – men, women and children. It takes 1500 cattle plus other foodstuffs to feed the Tugar horde each day. Some cattle they take with them as 'pets' who will then wander the world and see many horrors as they see their fellow citizens eaten by their masters. These pets are used not only as translators, but also as craftsmen for the horde also takes gold, iron and many craftstuffs besides the meat (both human and otherwise) and other foods they need. These pets are also expected to eat as the Chosen do and pets that return to Rus are executed by having their tongues cut out and placed back in the mouth, and then hung form the city walls. The Tugar have come to rely upon humans for both food and the maintenance of their limited technology. It was man that provided the Tugar with the horse which the Tugar then bred to a size that they could ride. The imminent arrival of the horde at each city is heralded by the visitation of the 'Namer of Time'. He is preceded by a dozen horsed trumpeters blowing nargas (thunder trumpets), six riders each playing a pair of kettledrums (rollers of doom); then 20 riders of the guard, carrying readied 6 ft war bows. Then the 'Namer of Time' himself, sitting on a platform carried by four huge horses and which is ringed with the skulls of humans and hung with their bleached ribcages. The Namer of Time bears a blood red pennant and wears robes made from human skin with skull hanging from his waist. Behind him are another twenty archers and then the pets taken the last time the horde came to the city. The actual horde is usually two years behind the arrival of the Namer of Time. Ahead of the actual Horde come the 'wanderers'. These are humans who have fled before the arrival of the horde seeking to avoid their harvesting. They remain outcasts from human society as well, for the Chosen Race punish those that take them in. They also take great delight in the sport of hunting these wanderers down. The culture of the Tugar is very religious and many rituals and taboos have grown up based around the slaughter and consumption of human flesh. Each horde has a soothsayer who is also the chooser of cattle and the head of the shaman of each horde. Amongst the Tugar the most revered of their forefathers is Hugala, the legendary warrior who first rode the world to prove that the Northern steppes is one whole. The shaman sing his chant and his great map has become a sacred scroll. There has been some resistance to the Tugar, but the Tugar's great strength and large numbers have always kept man in his place. The standing law is that for every Tugar that dies at the hand of a man, a thousand men will go to the slaughter pits as punishment. There is little resistance normally. The Tugar are ferocious in battle and prize the arts of warfare above all else. They wield two handed weapons such as swords or axes, but most feared are their archers who employ huge 6 ft warbows that fire arrows 4 ft in length up to 200 yards ! The archers are either on foot or mounted and the Tugar also field units of lances, pike and ballistae that fire great bolts 10 ft in length. The soldiers are organised into units of 10,000 called 'Umen'. The Tugar Horde can field a total of 150, 000 warriors. The first Umen of the Tugar horde are an elite unit known as the 'Olkta' and each member wears a hauberks of heavy chainmail that falls to the knees and a conical helmet lacquered in red and topped with a skull. The Tugar are not without honour, but it is unheard of them to ever extend this to mere 'cattle'. Amongst their own, a 'Blood Oath' is a pledge of fair play. Only once have they encountered humans employing 'smoke makers' or firearms. According to the secret history the Tugar were camped by the Blue Sea fifteen circlings ago when two ships came out of the Gate of Light Aboard were 'dark skinned cattle with black pointed beards' and wearing shining caps of armour. One ship was captured with the loss of a hundred Tugar, but the other escaped. There are a tiny number of Tugar who have come to realise that their reliance upon the cattle for everything may is not an ideal situation for there is nothing that the hordes are actually self-sufficient in. Such thoughts are laughed at by the majority of the horde. Originally the Hordes also came through the 'Tunnel of Light', which the chant singers say that the 'Chosen' actually built as well as other technology. This includes flying devices of some kind (though these need something to provide lift), but the use of such items is now regarded as sacrilegious and they have been placed in the burial pits of the ancestors. The chant singers also tell how the Chosen used the 'Tunnel of Light' as a means to travel between the stars and that long ago they may have walked the world of the humans. Humans and the Hordes are not eh only race to have been brought to Valdennia. Besides the strange and deadly serpent-like creatures that now live in the jungle lands to the far south in Merki territory, one technologically advanced race has come through. Though armed with weapons of light that could kill hundreds of the chosen at great distances, they were overwhelmed by sheer numbers and destroyed. Their weapons and equipment was then cast into the sea. Of the Tugar Horde, Muzta is the current Qar Qarth having succeeded his father, Jegmuta, a circling ago. He has several wives and three sons. His advisor is Qubata, who is perhaps the oldest of the Tugar, and known as 'grey hair'. Of common stock, he is a former commander of the Olkta (now commanded by Argun) and for the last circling-and-a-half has been the Swordmaster of the Tugar Horde or first general. A military genius, his superior tactics lead to the defeat of the Merki at the Battle of Onci near the cattle city of Constan. Jegmuta was killed during this battle. Alem is the Soothsayer of the Tugar Horde and is answerable to Muzta as much as he is to 'Bulgatanna', the father of the Chosen Race who in the afterworlds feasts on the gods of the cattle. The chief Qarth or Chieftain opposing Muzta is Tula, leader of the strongest clan of the Tugar Horde. It is his nephew, Vulti, who is the Namer of Time. Tula is supported by other Clan Chieftains such as Suba, the leader of the Merkat Clan, Zan, Kuraltai and Magtu Vu'Qarth." link |
| Cacique Caribe | 21 Apr 2006 3:18 p.m. PST |
"The Namer of Time bears a blood red pennant and wears robes made from human skin with skull hanging from his waist." Wow, with their massive size, that would be an impressive sculpt!!! CC |
| parrot1500 | 22 Apr 2006 5:14 a.m. PST |
Man, that's depressing for our lads. Stupid Tugar sons of  s. |
| Cacique Caribe | 24 Apr 2006 8:44 a.m. PST |
Yes. They make the Uruk-Hai (and humans, for that matter) look like Hobbits! CC |
| Chupacabras | 24 Apr 2006 1:09 p.m. PST |
The US generic equivalent is "Fun Tac" |
| Chupacabras | 25 Apr 2006 5:35 a.m. PST |
I don't even know what "Fun Tac" is . . . (darn bug). This is what I meant to say: For the beasts in the later novels, where they have guns and are mostly infantry, try these 40mm beauties:
TMP link |
| Cacique Caribe | 31 Oct 2006 8:12 p.m. PST |
Tugars! Tugars! Tugars! Even the reinvented POTA would work if done in 40mm and carried bows:
link CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 19 Nov 2006 5:57 p.m. PST |
"They wield two handed weapons such as swords or axes, but most feared are their archers who employ huge 6 ft warbows that fire arrows 4 ft in length up to 200 yards ! The archers are either on foot or mounted and the Tugar also field units of lances, pike and ballistae that fire great bolts 10 ft in length. The soldiers are organised into units of 10,000 called 'Umen'. The Tugar Horde can field a total of 150, 000 warriors. The first Umen of the Tugar horde are an elite unit known as the 'Olkta' and each member wears a hauberks of heavy chainmail that falls to the knees and a conical helmet lacquered in red and topped with a skull." I guess 15mm (Mongols) Tugars and 10-12mm ACW and medievals might be a way to go with the large scale battles. CC
PS. I cannot believe I am contemplating (way down the road, mind you) a scale other than my usual 28mm. |
| qar qarth | 21 Nov 2006 7:19 p.m. PST |
I can't wait for someone to make something usable. |
| Cacique Caribe | 10 Dec 2006 9:21 p.m. PST |
Conanesque Mongols might work too: TMP link CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 10 Dec 2006 10:21 p.m. PST |
Someone thought them worthy as an EnPSYCHlopedia topic! link I knew they were scary stuff but, wow! CC |
| Roberto Cofresi | 13 Dec 2006 1:14 p.m. PST |
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| Cacique Caribe | 14 Dec 2006 10:12 a.m. PST |
These might work as 15mm medieval Russians (if I go with 28mm "converted" Mongols): TMP link CC |
| qar qarth | 07 Jan 2007 10:56 a.m. PST |
Is anyone working on conversions yet? Photos? |
| Cacique Caribe | 05 Aug 2007 12:01 a.m. PST |
Ok. Some of these might work for the "Down By The Sea" volume: link CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 27 Feb 2008 9:52 p.m. PST |
C'mon guys. Give me some suggestions on large-ish 28mm-30mm Mongols, please! Has anyone produced anything NEW that could be used? CC |
| Grabula | 29 Feb 2008 3:31 p.m. PST |
Actually, what we could use is another new miniatures company that does Napoleonics or WWII infantry, cause we don't have enough of that yet….. ;) |
| Cacique Caribe | 29 Feb 2008 9:57 p.m. PST |
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| Cacique Caribe | 11 Jun 2008 8:36 a.m. PST |
Ooooo, if only these were on horseback and were not so damn pricey: link
link What am I saying? I need to let this dream die. CC |
| liwargamer | 12 Jun 2008 11:41 a.m. PST |
Caribe, still pushing for TUGARS ? Read some other books. I read the books on Tugars quite a while ago and enjoyed them , but then I built a WAB Mongol army. |
| Cacique Caribe | 12 Jun 2008 2:49 p.m. PST |
I think I'm about to give up and scratch it off my "bucket list". :) Oh well. I thought a lot more people would have gotten excited about it, particularly because of the SF, ACW and Medieval elements in it. I guess I thought wrong. CC |
| MahanMan | 13 Jun 2008 8:45 a.m. PST |
The thing is, I like the idea, but a) the books are harder to find nowadays, b) there doesn't seem to be any great puch by the suthor to continue the series, and c) if the idea had been taken up when the books had first come out, it would have been popular, but now, well… Just my .02 |
| Cacique Caribe | 30 Jun 2008 9:06 a.m. PST |
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| Cacique Caribe | 30 Jun 2008 10:05 a.m. PST |
Zoomed image of the book cover: link CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 30 Jun 2008 10:59 a.m. PST |
How about 10mm ACW and 15mm Mongols? TMP link CC |
| nazrat | 30 Jun 2008 1:24 p.m. PST |
AHH! CC's created a thread loop!! |
| Cacique Caribe | 17 Dec 2008 3:12 p.m. PST |
Any news on a movie version of Rally Cry (the first novel in the series)? link
link CC |
| Warbeads | 17 Dec 2008 4:17 p.m. PST |
Are you back on this again? LOL! I thought you were "cured" earlier… "…I think I'm about to give up and scratch it off my "bucket list"…" Gracias, Glenn |
checks out some 10/15mm railroad tracks for wargaming.
