| Cacique Caribe | 23 Apr 2006 5:02 p.m. PST |
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| WarWizard | 23 Apr 2006 5:13 p.m. PST |
I would LOVE a 25/28mm scale POTA mini game. Based on the original 1969 Heston movie if possible. |
| Cacique Caribe | 23 Apr 2006 5:18 p.m. PST |
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| MiniatureWargaming dot com | 23 Apr 2006 5:52 p.m. PST |
I think the answer is that Monolith has not yet gotten the cease and desist letter. |
 Editor in Chief Bill   | 23 Apr 2006 5:58 p.m. PST |
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| Gunslinger | 23 Apr 2006 6:48 p.m. PST |
The weapons are different from the movies. Those are Mini-14s aren't they? |
| Cacique Caribe | 23 Apr 2006 6:54 p.m. PST |
"The weapons are different from the movies. Those are Mini-14s aren't they?" If that is the reason, couldn't Eureka (or someone else) do the same with 25-28mm and get through the same loophole? CC |
 Saginaw  | 23 Apr 2006 6:54 p.m. PST |
Man. I sure do miss Eureka's "Apes With Guns" line. I meant to purchase them at some time, but you know the old saying: "would've, could've, should've". Anyway, maybe some will turn up on eBay one day….. …..or maybe sculpt your own…? *shrugs* |
| Cacique Caribe | 23 Apr 2006 7:04 p.m. PST |
I guess that, like Eureka's "Apes with guns", Monolith/Graven Images/Cliffhanger's "Gorillas" don't use the name "Planet of the Apes": link So, how did the bastards (whatever those attorneys or hardasses were) find out about it? How did it hurt them in anyway? Where the same anal rentitives trying to put out a similar 25-28mm line of their own? Can't someone make 25-28mm ones again, under a different name or something? CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 23 Apr 2006 7:13 p.m. PST |
I meant to say "retentives"! Can you tell I am  ed? CC |
| Cacique Caribe | 23 Apr 2006 7:22 p.m. PST |
I hope this works as a loophole to the censorship system: "Can you tell I am pizzed?" CC |
| artslave | 23 Apr 2006 9:42 p.m. PST |
Well CC, I feel the same way about Eureka's Starfaring Egyptians (the name was some derivation from Stargate). I was waiting for that "right" momement, and waited too long. Now, because of the trouble caused to them, they won't touch anything even close on any movie or TV theme. A sad situation for us harmless gamers, and a real kick in the teeth to a very nice bunch of guys. |
| Space Monkey | 23 Apr 2006 10:22 p.m. PST |
Isn't there a new 'Barbarella' movie about to come out?
Seems like they might want to change the name on that one a bit… though the resemblance is nothing like her. |
| maxxon | 23 Apr 2006 10:47 p.m. PST |
Well, given how the system works, sometimes it's prudent to pack it up at the first sign of legal trouble, even if the odds are you're right. There's a lot of gray area and IP cases are rarely thrown out of court on summary judgement. While you can't copyright an idea like "apes with guns", you can argue about the actual designs etc. in court, and that costs a bundle of money. Easily more than the range would even make in profits, which kinda makes the argueing pointless. There's two basic strategies in the gray area: "duck and run — I'll make these until I get unwanted attention, legal battles are not worth the hassle" and "stick to your guns — I believe I'm right and I'm ready to defend my position in court". Nic chose the former, and it's his right to do so. |
| Steve Flanagan | 24 Apr 2006 3:13 a.m. PST |
"So, how did the bastards (whatever those attorneys or hardasses were) find out about it?" In part, through forums like TMP and the old Stargate gaming Yahoo! group (whose current incarnation has lots of checks on new members). So if you want figures like these, don't start threads like this one. |
| The Gonk | 24 Apr 2006 5:32 a.m. PST |
It's probably not a matter of CAN and CAN'T, I figure Eureka decided they were too much of a risk to carry, and Monolith disagrees. |
| nazrat | 24 Apr 2006 6:05 a.m. PST |
I believe there were a few irate posters who came on TMP and started a huge ruckus about these figures and later said they had reported Eureka to the IP owner of the Planet of the Apes stuff. The letter was sent shortly thereafter, I'd imagine. I can't imagine why they did it… |
| Thesis | 24 Apr 2006 6:38 a.m. PST |
I was lucky enough to be able to buy 20 "Apes with guns" at Little Wars several years ago. They did not have any mounted so my forces are incomplete. Here's the deal: we as gamers have always been surounded by pirated movies at every Con we have atended. If you have been to Gen-Con or Wizard World you have seen this illeagle product. This is not the same as sculpting your own figures and selling them. We have a "fringe" hobby with a limited appeal. When any company in the future creates "Apes with guns" or shiny one eyed robots, lets as a group just keep it to ourselves. Someone opened their mouth and let the cat out of the bag. |
| Cacique Caribe | 24 Apr 2006 8:55 a.m. PST |
I wonder what happened to the moulds for the Eureka "Apes with Guns" range? CC |
| Tommy20 | 24 Apr 2006 11:06 a.m. PST |
Just a guess, but I'd bet on "destroyed". Eureka was pretty clear at the time that they were going to respect the IP rightsholder's decision. They are VERY careful about IP infringement now. |
| Cacique Caribe | 24 Apr 2006 12:24 p.m. PST |
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| Roberto Cofresi | 24 Apr 2006 12:50 p.m. PST |
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| Chupacabras | 24 Apr 2006 1:12 p.m. PST |
When you calm down, try seeing the big, 40mm Monolith ones as potential "Tugars" (or whatever they were called in the later Forstchen "Lost Regiment" novels, where the beasts use guns and other more modern equipment):
TMP link |
| Cacique Caribe | 24 Apr 2006 1:23 p.m. PST |
But I already have a buch of cavemen that I was thinking of using as post-apocalyptic humans! CC |
John Leahy  | 24 Apr 2006 2:00 p.m. PST |
I'm glad that I got my army of those apes when I did. I created a slave wagon and an artillery piece with limber for them. There standard is a copy of the one used in 'Beneath'. I have around 60 foot and 40 or so Cavalry. What cavemen are you using? Thanks, John |
| Cacique Caribe | 24 Apr 2006 3:07 p.m. PST |
I have a combination of Foundry Savage Ancient Germans and the Copplestone Cavemen. I also have some Neaderthal-looking ones that I don't think will pass as post-apocalyptic cavemen. CC |
| dglennjr | 18 Dec 2007 2:22 p.m. PST |
As far as I know, they still have the molds on a shelf somewhere, but won't/can't cast any more. I had inquired about the shiny one-eyed robots (AKA Cylon Centurians) and got the same answer…copyrights…put the molds on the shelf…won't cast more…etc. "Could've, should've, would've.." David
dglennjr@yahoo.com |
| palaeoemrus | 19 Dec 2007 2:13 a.m. PST |
So I probably shouldn't release my line of liberated-male "seasoning" hunters in stationary garments them? |
| Carrion Crow | 19 Dec 2007 6:29 a.m. PST |
Not entirely sure about the whole IP thing, but if there are IP issues with replicating the look of ceratin characters, how can the large scale vinyl kit makers get away with doing versions of well-known characters, but released under a different name? Always puzzled me, that one… |
| jpattern2 | 03 Jan 2008 12:24 p.m. PST |
And if you need a mission objective, here's the Icarus sinking, 8 inches long: link |
