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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2017 3:31 p.m. PST

What happened with dear Otto?…

Seems his account is in the "Conversation with Gwen" Zone…

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As his lawyer… I ask for the court documents! (smile)


Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian07 Nov 2017 9:42 p.m. PST

We're trying the Editor Gwen route more often, it seems to be an improvement over tossing people into the Dawghouse over and over again.

People seem to find it easier to talk to Editor Gwen about their forum behavior problems.

Personal logo Editor Gwen The Editor of TMP07 Nov 2017 10:02 p.m. PST

Hi… I have sent already an email to Otto, but haven't received a reply yet.

Legion 408 Nov 2017 8:40 a.m. PST

I know I'd like to see him back …

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2017 10:54 a.m. PST

Thanks for the info Gwen and Bill…

Hope he can return soon…


Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian08 Nov 2017 1:52 p.m. PST

I know I'd like to see him back …

The ball is in his court.

Cacique Caribe08 Nov 2017 3:29 p.m. PST

I hope emails aren't stalled in limbo, due to connectivity issues. That was apparently a big part of the delay and confusion with me.

A DH might have been preferable, as it wouldn't have lasted 31 days.


Earl of the North08 Nov 2017 4:36 p.m. PST

That is a good point, Dan's long absence seems to be simply down to Editor Gwen and Dan not being able to communicate to due to technical issues, leading to a much longer exclusion than necessary or usually expected. Hopefully that is not going to be the normal way this works.

Cacique Caribe08 Nov 2017 10:58 p.m. PST

That and the fact that I wasn't able to reply to any of Gwen's PMs. It would allow me to write out a reply, and it would look as if my replies were being sent, but PM replies by people who are locked out really go nowhere at all. They will never reach the person you are replying to.

It was about a week before I discovered that, and that email was really the only option available.

Anyway, whatever the issues, we need Otto back.


Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian09 Nov 2017 6:13 a.m. PST

Dan's long absence seems to be simply down to Editor Gwen and Dan not being able to communicate to due to technical issues…

How would you know? I understand they had a fairly lengthy discussion about the issues.

Earl of the North09 Nov 2017 7:43 a.m. PST

Dan has said that was a problem and I believe Editor Gwen mentioned it as well at some point during the discussions about Dan's enforced absence.

I do remember other members at the time stating that Dan wasn't able to contact Editor Gwen due to technical issues.

So I would know purely from what others (Dan included) has said on the subject.

I see above that he wasn't able to answer her PM's for about a week, before he switched to emails….so maybe I should have wrote that his absence was extended by technical issues.

I've no knowledge and no real interest (or business for that matter) in knowing the ins and outs of their discussion……I'm just glad we got Dan back since he has a tendency to post some good stuff he's had an idea about.

Cacique Caribe09 Nov 2017 8:54 a.m. PST

My account was locked on Oct 1. Gwen sends 2 PMs on the 4th to inform me of it.

Technical issue from Oct 1-6
Sending PMs or replying to PMs is simply not possible for someone that is locked out. Gwen's email address is provided via third party on the 6th:
TMP link

Technical issue from Oct 6-18
Gwen was experiencing email problems:
TMP link

My account is unlocked on morning of Oct 31. I receive notification of it evening of Nov 02.

I hope there are less technical or email issues with Otto.


Earl of the North09 Nov 2017 9:10 a.m. PST

I think that covers what I was saying, technical issues seem to have extended Dan's absence. So hopefully that will be reduced in Otto's case……..I've no idea what Otto did of course, since there is apparently no info on what caused the temporary lockout.

Winston Smith09 Nov 2017 10:04 a.m. PST

There are some on the Enemy Site who seem to think that Bill is slowly but surely purging TMP of those whose political stance Dear Editor is not in agreement with. "Soon TMP will only have sympatico clones of his right wing blah blah blah!"

Banning Otto would seem to contradict that.

I prefer the Good Old Days when Bill would simply DH the perp, and he would come out and sin again.
It was certainly more entertaining for the audience.

Dan's experience would seem to indicate that the new system isn't very efficient.

I too miss Otto. He's always good for a laugh.

Cacique Caribe09 Nov 2017 11:45 a.m. PST


"I too miss Otto. He's always good for a laugh."

Geesh, dude. Wait until he comes back and can defend himself before adding sarcastic fuel to the fire, will ya?


Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2017 11:50 a.m. PST

The "Phanton Zone" sound to be a new kind of punishment…

Interesting one…

Not for the "guilty" of course…

Hope Otto could return soon…


Legion 409 Nov 2017 3:14 p.m. PST

Geesh, dude. Wait until he comes back and can defend himself
Hopefully that will be soon …

Plus here and elsewhere some things and some people will never change. I guess there is something to be said about consistency …

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian09 Nov 2017 5:52 p.m. PST

So I would know purely from what others (Dan included) has said on the subject.

And I am saying that there was also an extended discussion between Gwen and Cacique Caribe, and that was also a reason for the delay.

Cacique Caribe09 Nov 2017 7:49 p.m. PST

Lol. Ay Dios mío! Guys, you are both right, okay.

Gwen and I did finally establish somewhat regular communications after the 18th day, though there were still a couple of long waits even during the final 12 days (more email issues, perhaps?). Then on the 31st I was suddenly back.

Let's just hope things go a lot smoother with Otto and any others who get temporary lock outs. The first thing they need to know is that any PM they send out goes nowhere, so communication with any Editors will have to be done via email. That alone wasted a whole week and only added to the confusion.


Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian10 Nov 2017 2:57 p.m. PST

Editor Gwen sends an email to each of them.

cleo liebl11 Nov 2017 12:54 p.m. PST

Otto is moving, and his computer may be packed up. He's never this silent ….

Cacique Caribe11 Nov 2017 3:21 p.m. PST

Or the email went to spam, or simply never got there for some other reason. Or HE might have already replied to Gwen, and it went to Gwen's spam folder.


Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP14 Nov 2017 10:52 a.m. PST

By my good friend… I would miss you a lot!…


cleo liebl24 Nov 2017 10:28 a.m. PST

Just spoke with Otto. He hasn't received any emails from Gwen. Apparently, she's not on his email list, and her email obviously went to spam…

Cacique Caribe24 Nov 2017 1:25 p.m. PST

Cleo, seriously?

Yeah, this new system clearly needs a little more rethinking. And how many days passed, equivalent to how many DHs sentences?

Maybe it's my pain meds talking, but I think a pardoning of Otto should be the next logical step, for whatever the "crime" or "fact-finding" reason there was behind his lockout. It has already gone way past the length of any DH.

PS. Now Hafen and others have been put on to that same slow boat too?
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Legion 424 Nov 2017 3:46 p.m. PST

Interesting …

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP24 Nov 2017 11:39 p.m. PST

I had a few days of silence, I emailed Gwen regularly but no reply so I chatted direct with Bill, who resolved the (non) issue. Gwen was getting my emails but hers weren't getting through to me and nothing in spam

Elbow Mac25 Nov 2017 8:35 a.m. PST

My account was temporarily locked, I was unable (as we know) to reply to Gwen's message.
I received no email but managed to find the email for the editor which is right at the bottom of the home page if you click on Bill's name.
I emailed and my account was unlocked – I still have no idea why it was locked in the first place, no explanation was given.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP25 Nov 2017 11:30 a.m. PST

So… Gwen is failing…?

Maybe she has some personal problem…?

Would be good to know…


deephorse25 Nov 2017 3:34 p.m. PST

So who is making the decision to temporarily lock all these accounts, Gwen?

Golgoloth25 Nov 2017 5:10 p.m. PST

At least with the DH, there's some measure of transparency.

Not so with these "Gwen Situations" …

Cacique Caribe25 Nov 2017 6:11 p.m. PST

Maybe there's an AI involved, or the virus has mutated?


Legion 426 Nov 2017 9:23 a.m. PST

Could be hackers from Eastern Europe or North Korea … or Aliens ?

Cacique Caribe28 Nov 2017 2:54 a.m. PST

Yes. Definitely aliens!

PS. Though, based on what I hear in the "news", the "Russians" is definitely a close second.



Legion 428 Nov 2017 6:54 a.m. PST

Russians … Aliens … sometimes you can't tell ! wink I mean there are some Russians that are Aliens living in the USA right now. But they are just awaiting their Green Card or trying to marry a US citizen ! huh? If the price is right ! evil grin

Of course, the only way the US can get to the ISS is on a Russian rocket. So you tell me !

Cacique Caribe28 Nov 2017 8:07 a.m. PST


Everything you just said makes so much sense now, specially after my morning meds. :)

So is there a solution to this "gone missing" TMP members dilemma, meaning the long return gauntlet following a "lockout"? Will we see Otto, Hafen and others come back soon, so that they may continue to add to the rich information and jocularity milieu that is TMP?

Unverified email addresses doesn't seem to hamper anyone else here. I see tons of those accounts around and posting all the time.

Wait, now I'm forgetting the point I was trying to make. Lol. Oh dear.

Hey, did I tell you guys about my brand new scar? My wife had to take the picture, seeing as how it runs 7 or 8 inches long, from the mid-back down to my waist. But it looks absolutely gorgeous! It's right on top of 5 previous scars in the same place, more or less. That surgeon should really consider taking up leather upholstery as a hobby when he retires.

Ok. Time for my fist nap of the day.

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Legion 428 Nov 2017 2:48 p.m. PST

Everything you just said makes so much sense now, specially after my morning meds. :)
Of course some news is better if you're not completely "functional" ! evil grin

I do hope to see Otto and Haf back soon as well … but who knows …

Sounds like a nice scar, I think yours is bigger than mine …

At least the doc didn't skin you and make you into a rug ! huh? And keep taking those meds !

Gwydion28 Dec 2017 10:55 a.m. PST

So Otto still 'temporarily' talking to Gwen then?huh?

Define 'temporary'.

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP28 Dec 2017 11:16 a.m. PST

Could it be that they both have exiled to Doggerland?

Personal logo War Artisan Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Dec 2017 11:47 a.m. PST

Otto is apparently not talking to Gwen. His stated intentions and unkind comments (in other venues) about TMP, its editors and contributors have made it clear that he does not wish to return, in spite of the fact that he still drops by occasionally.

Of course, his previous self-imposed exile ended voluntarily, so there remains the possibility that this one will, also.

Gwydion29 Dec 2017 5:58 a.m. PST

Oh, okay – haven't read 'other venues'.
Seems sad.

Legion 429 Dec 2017 8:14 a.m. PST

We'll see what the New Year brings …

Legion 401 Jan 2018 8:34 a.m. PST

War Artisan … do you know Otto ?

Personal logo War Artisan Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Jan 2018 8:56 a.m. PST

No, Otto and I are not even really acquaintances, although we met briefly at Fall-In some years ago. We have occasionally "conversed" (in a digital sort of way) both here and on his "Society of Daisy" Yahoo Group.

Legion 401 Jan 2018 6:26 p.m. PST

Ah … I see …

Cacique Caribe08 Jan 2018 3:20 p.m. PST

Oh man! Then again I wouldn't be expecting him to sing praises of anyone who didn't want him around.

What about Hafen? Has Bill or Gwen been talking to him about his return? Or did they decide to run him off for some reason?


Choctaw09 Jan 2018 9:28 a.m. PST

I belong to a forum where if you are dawghoused three times in a given year you are done. Knowing you could be kicked out permanently may reduce offensive behavior.

Cacique Caribe11 Jan 2018 10:07 a.m. PST

At least the DH is for breaking actual rules. And, as was mentioned, for a finite number of days.


Personal logo PrivateSnafu Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2018 10:26 a.m. PST

I think he just got bounced from TWW. Some people can't help themselves.

Cacique Caribe11 Jan 2018 2:32 p.m. PST

Snafu: "Some people can't help themselves"

You mean the members, or the bouncers?


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