"What IF Greys (Aliens) Were Descendants Of Humans?" Topic

Just for the sake of possible gaming scenarios . . .

What if a large vessel from a dying race in the very distant future traveled back to our time (or maybe a century or two before our time), and on board were mankind's descendants . . . but they looked like our stereotypical Greys?

What if they made Antarctica their base of operations? Or some sort of base under the sea?

Could a game be done out of that?

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PS. And, of course, they would conduct all sorts of "sexual" experiments to see what went wrong with human DNA. :)

Or, we are the descendents of greys…..

I think that was somewhat the premise behind the 1994 film "Official Denial":

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There was a movie like this once. I'm going to say like maybe early 90s? The greys were humans from the future not aliens from space. Of course they didn't let you in on that till just about the end of the movie. Sorry I can't remember the name of the movie right now.

OK, just to throw it out there, here is my theory about the Greys:
They are our descendants of our far future who have the ability to travel back in time to investigate their distant past in 'real time'.
This is why they are so secretive. They can not change ANYTHING of the past lest they change their current condition. This is why they abduct people, do medical experiments (perhaps to learn of specific bodily processes of their "primitive" ancestors) but must return them.

The Greys are what will become of humanity given the melding pot of the world races and evolutionary development of the human body with advances of technology. Our skin will be of one color, our eyes large to see the multi-screens of computers and the like, and having long, weak arms but long digits.

The earth is a looong way from any possible planet with could sustain life, let alone one capable of intergalatic travel. More likely the "aliens" which observe us are of the homegrown variety.

They made a movie based on my theory? Hmmm, why am I not getting any royalties? I truly hope that they at least gave me screen credit.

Aud Minis Ter,

What if there are two factions? One faction of Greys trying to change their past (and mutilate a few cows in the process) and another to prevent any changes?

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CC,
perhaps that is adding too many plot twists in an already busy script.<grin>

Oh youse apes!

They'll probably want citizenship & free Health care …

CC,
the nude vs. un-nude is a reflection of our morals not theirs. Note the clothed versions are from the 50's while the nude versions are more recent.

But as humans have generally worn some degree of garb throughout history at most times, the unclothed versions must live in a very cold environment as to disrobe in our current climate as this suggests (much like as one goes to the summer beach and wears very little due to the heat) Does this give credence to the 'global warming' camp?

oh, well, it is just a theory …and not original at that…and not that important, so I am off to bed.

And hopefully I am not abducted in the middle of the night….

Interesting… the "Greys" in Stargate SG1 are clones….

Future Humanity in Joe Haldeman's Forever War are all clones (though human looking).

Towards the end of WW II, a joint top secret project of space colonization was undertaken by Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany. A German built base was located on the dark side of the Moon and was meant to be a stepping stone to the deeper reaches of space. The idea was to regroup, perfect some innovative technology and then retake the Earth while simultaneously establishing and maintaining planetary colonies.
The advance design, saucer-shaped ships, filled with soldiers and colonists, departed Earth as the final days of the German and Japanese regimes unfolded. The Japanese ships were driven off course and continued on into deep space, their passengers in a state of artificial hibernation, totally oblivious to their circumstances.
The "alien" greys are the descendants of these lost Japanese colonists.
This is part of my "Secret Nazis From Outer Space" background based on a dream I had in the fourth grade (1964).
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Some of my ideas may have been used by Steve Lawrence in games he ran in the early 80's, but I'm not sure if he ever really pursued his project after our conversation.

Wasn't the 'mini-series' called 'TAKEN' with Dakota Fanning, something like this? where her 'great-grandfather' was a grey alien? He'd taken human form to 'mate' with her grandmother, the son had some 'mental powers' but died early…and other humans had 'implants'/chips put in their heads…etc…and the two 'kids' (from different 'branches') were 'bred' by the aliens to produce her..and there was a piece of metal 'recording' all this stuff? A saucer was captured but more than 15 minutes in it killed humans/brain hemorages….(mentally powered/controlled?)

This was different from another 'Taken' which involved one of a group of woodsman/friends where one was 'tractor-beamed' up…(also called fire in the sky) which was the name for yet another movie involving a comet impacting on Phoenix Az…

All of the 'Asgard' on SG-1 'died' with their homeworld as their clone-fade/genetic disease was coming to an end…BUT in the Pegasus Galaxy…a seperatist group of 'borgish' Asgard in power suits…who were NOT benevolent! were going against SG-1 or was that SG-Atlantis????

Now we have SG-U with yet another take on all that, so anything, technically is possible…?
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Considering the time and amount of energy involved in either inter-stellar flight and/or time-travel…the concept of greys/grays, comeing from our OWN 'solar system'/secret lunar/martian bases…(survivors of the 'destroyed' 5th planet between Mars and Jupiter), or from the 'hollow earth' sorta thing are just as likely…(or hibernating under antarctica for 2-3 million years when earth/Antarctica was 'warmer?' ala 'Stargate:Atlantis'

Scientifically, would it be 'easier/energy/tech-wise' to travel from another star system to earth or to travel BACK in time? Kirk did it all the time! And if they made a whole movie about saving two and a half whales, why not a 'grey alien Kirk' coming back to find some genetically compatible space booty, to 'save the future'????

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aud minis ter 01 Oct 2009 9:49 p.m. PST:

OK, just to throw it out there, here is my theory about the Greys:
They are our descendants of our far future who have the ability to travel back in time to investigate their distant past in 'real time'

You are, in fact, not alone in this belief, if belief it is…

As it happens, this is a familiar one for me as my CEO used throw this idea around -- possibly with the intent of sparking a discussion as he knows I was something of a skeptic. As I never "took the bait" I'm not rightly sure if he honestly entertains the possibility even tho I do believe he does harbour some alternative science views.

Most of the UFO crowd has always focused on "extraterrestrial hypothesis" AFAIK tho.

Me, I'm partial to molemen…

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Top Gun Ace 01 Oct 2009 9:31 p.m. PST:

Or, we are the descendents of greys…

Hey, with enough time travel, we can have it both ways! (-:)

"But as humans have generally worn some degree of garb throughout history at most times, the unclothed versions must live in a very cold environment as to disrobe in our current climate as this suggests (much like as one goes to the summer beach and wears very little due to the heat) Does this give credence to the 'global warming' camp?"

Actually, given the time evolution takes to produce a chnage in a human species, it is inevitable that future humans would come from a warmer world than our present one – because over and above fluctuations in orbit that cause ice ages and the vagaries of human-assisted climate change ( Which ahs happened in the past ), the expansion of the sun will guarantee that over the long term, the Earth will warm up over geologic time…Make of that what you will :)

Greys are the descendants of Cylon Centurions!

It's a nice spin on the usual 'they came from outer space' rationale.
I would stick to deliberate manipulation – genetic engineering & so forth – to explain the apparent difference between the Greys & present humans, though.
'Evolution' doesn't stand up as an explanation. Sure, the large oval eyes might be better for monitoring multiple screens simultaneously… but it's not like the humans with 'normal' eyes are going to die out & leave the 'Big Eyes' dominant.
The pressure factors for natural selection in human evolution were all overcome millennia ago.
Any new factors, like long-term climatic change, would be dealt with by technological means… they'd build still-suits & cloud-generators over a timeframe of decades (maybe centuries), rather than wait for advantageous traits to out-breed the non-advantageous over a timeframe of millions of years.

Pshaw, everyone knows that the future belongs to the Apes!

These What If threads you post remind me of the What If skits on the original Saturday Night Live. "What if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly?" "What if Napoleon had a B-52 at Waterloo?"

IIRC in the skits the scenarios were all mailed into "What If?" by a 12 year old newspaper delivery boy from Indiana.

Anyway, I thought the Greys were from Scotland ….

This is why they are so secretive.

Obviously the Greys have a much more *flexible* definition of "secretive" than we humans do.

Yes, the Bad Greys were on SG-A … Doc Jackson made a visit to Atlantis. And he & Doc McKay teamed up … And "TAKEN" was a pretty good mini-series … I'm sure the Greys would approve !

Read Inheret the Stars by James P. Hogan!

They are the sole descendent of the human race, a penal colony.

Well just look at what the get up to abduction, torture, bizarre s*x acts with humans and animal mutilation

They should be locked up!

Here in the pacific northwest we all tend to look like Greys or Sasquatch or some combination of the two by spring… so… if you come to Enfilade in May you won't need miniatures… you can just do some LARPING… :P :)

They are decended from humans, or at least our imagination.

Wasn't the 'mini-series' called 'TAKEN' with Dakota Fanning, something like this? where her 'great-grandfather' was a grey alien? He'd taken human form to 'mate' with her grandmother

See… Greys just want a good night out on the town like any other sailor. Just get them L@!d and they'll be fine.

I guess this also shows that the Greys are our descendants… traveling from the future to mate with chicks from the past… to make descendants… who will some day travel back to the past to mate with hot earth chicks… to make descendants… traveling from the future to mate with chicks from the past… to make descendants… who will some day travel back to the past to mate with hot earth chicks… to make descendants… traveling from the future to mate with chicks from the past… to make descendants… who will some day travel back to the past to mate with hot earth chicks… to make descendants… traveling from the future to mate with chicks from the past… to make descendants… who will some day travel back to the past to mate with hot earth chicks… to make descendants… etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc…..

"Man After Man", a book by Dougal Dixon, has a similar idea. Humans bio-engineer themselves for a variety of purposes, including colonizing space. Millennia later, descendants of humans (they aren't "human" anymore) return to earth, and harvest all the inhabitants (not realizing the family connection)! Its a cool book, kind of a a coffee table thing with amazing color illustrations of the different types of humans that are engineered or evolve over time.

He also did "The New Dinosaurs, an Alternative Evolution", imagining how dinosaurs might have evolved if they hadn't become extinct 65 million years ago, and "After Man", which imagines how animals would evolve if humans became extinct (shortly after causing even more extinctions than we already have).

Viewing Greys as future Humans would explain the idea of DNA compatibility in Grey-Human breeding experiments. I think it is a great start for a gaming background.

But there's more.

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"The "grey alien" theory:
Yes, I've actually heard of such a "theory"--promulgated among the UFO set! Basically, what we think of as "Grey Aliens" are not actually extraterrestrials at all (thus not from Zeta Reticuli after all), but are more likely the image of a distant-future type of humans. Their reported "visitations" would likely be from the distant future, using some kind of time travel in their "UFOs", not from outer space.

These would have the small, spindly bodies, extremities, and relatively large, bulbous heads with big black eyes--all these characteristics resulting from a general gradual "degeneration" of the human body over a long time into the future, due to a generalized atrophy and vestigialization.

This theory would be plausible--IF the planet Earth gets so bad environmentally that humans as we exist now could not continue to exist like we are now. For this to happen, the planet would have to get really foggy due to excessive pollution (to block most sunlight), or in the case of rising global temperatures, such creatures would be driven to live TOTALLY underground (hence the loss of skin color, stature, etc). Plus, such creatures could only live in dim light--hence the big eyes lacking irises.

Such future humans would retain large brains (and increased intellectual capacity) to be able to continue developing technologically, but at the expense of their physical bodies. Even reproduction would appear to have ceased to exist (sexually) since the bodies could not support it--hence a need for a technical substitute--cloning."

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"Are maybe aliens humans from the future? Just think about it for a moment, what people claimed to have seen over our heads are described as the same type of aircraft over and over. You would think the aircraft would have taken a different shape by this time it's been more than fifty years and it's still the same shape. Aliens are always described as having big eyes and grey skin, large heads small mouths and so on. Maybe these are our future relatives that have evolved from thousands of years of human cross breeding of different races put together. The human body would have to adapt to the ever nearing sun and the environment that we ourselves created from global warming and our depleting ozone layer. Our eyes and skin would have to conform and adjust to our ever changing world. That would explain our future relative's distinctive look."

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There is more to this post than FEMA would like you to know.

Pyrate Captain,

Sorry. I have sworn an oath (several in fact). :)

CC

OK. IF Greys were future humanity . . .

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. . . then could THESE be the product of their Human/Grey hybrid reproduction program?

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The thought of morphing oneself from a scrawny, gray, asexual scientist into a strapping, well hun…..you know, dude, boggles the mind. But, hey, after Hopkinsville, who am I to doubt?

In reality, all of this is just mind manipulation by the FEMA shadow government.

Pyrate: "In reality, all of this is just mind manipulation by the FEMA shadow government."

I know. You should see some of the really weird specimens we have down in a few of our "bunkers". Some of them are Greys, while the rest are quite a range of Grey/Human hybrids.

Some of those spindly hybrids started escaping and joining the international fashion model industry:

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But we "took care" of the majority. I can't give out any specifics on what we did there.

The fact that the runaways were accepted by the public, and do the catwalk/runway thing, without anyone questioning them, goes a long way to prove that our two species are definitely very, very close, and have the same origin.

Don't you think?

CC (I'm using my TMP handle initials, just to make sure I am not "taken care of")

This woman almost ruined it for all of us in the project . . .

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But we bought off her silence, by offering her a job on a little SF drama series we sponsored from September 1993 to May 2002 (with a few films done afterwards).

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This was an interesting, although cheesy, film with a theme on alien abduction for reproduction experiments.

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Is there gaming potential in any of this stuff?

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Just as I suspected!

There was a movie like this a few years back, where humanity had to live underground for centuries, after doing a number on the earth (hence the grey flesh and large eyes), and they travelled back in time because they lost the ability to reproduce, and were trying to change the future. I don't remember the name of the movie, though the main character found his family tree in the computer of the "alien" spacecraft.

Sierra19,

Wow. I would love to find out what that film was called!

It's probably what gave rise to the weird ideas I am pointing to (that, and HG Wells' Time Machine):

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Sierra19,

I am testing my Google-fu, trying to find out what film that was.

In the meantime, here's another article on this topic:

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What if humans are descendants of Grays?

But that's heresy . . .!!!

A planet where apes are evolved from humans? Oh, wait. Different movie. :)

CC

Maybe the Time Machine Eloi were just an INTERMEDIATE stage between us and the Greys!!!

What I get from the above description of Eloi is . . .

"perhaps four feet high"

"indescribably frail"

"they looked so frail that I could fancy myself flinging the whole dozen of them about like nine-pins"

"Their hair, which was uniformly curly, came to a sharp end at the neck and cheek; there was not the faintest suggestion of it on the face, and their ears were singularly minute. The mouths were small, with bright red, rather thin lips, and the little chins ran to a point. The eyes were large and mild"

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Here's an artist drawing of Weena. Looks like the artist actually took the time to read the book:

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Strange similarities to abduction reports, aren't they?

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More:

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I think the movie starred Bill Paxton (the guy from Twister?).

I like this name, "THE CRYPTOTERRESTRIALS":

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Dan

If you're talking about the human body modifying through evolution, then I think I've seen evidence--I could swear one of my room mates in college was working on developing a single nostril, just like his rock heroes were doing (insidious subculture plot to force-evolve some humans? Perspiring mimes want to know!)

Well, either as a parallel and offshoot Earthly species, or as time traveling descendants of man, that would make it feasible to abduct and try to harvest DNA and eggs from today's humans.

At least as a background story for a game. :)

Dan

Time travel is easier than space travel (fewer layovers). So why not the the grays being the final evolution of us.