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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2009 9:33 p.m. PST

Based on this general topic:

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That thread has lots of scenario and terrain ideas, but most of the suggestions on figures and boats are for 28mm.

So, for 15mm post-apocalyptic gaming . . .

1) What do you recommend for water craft?

2) What do you recommend for figures?

3) Any other suggestions (on terrain and other items)?

Thanks.

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Top Gun Ace Inactive Member30 Jun 2009 9:37 p.m. PST

The new GZG Sci-Fi Ravagers will do for pirates.

They seem to have fairly traditional clothing, and are sporting shotguns for the most part.

As for water craft, you may need to scratchbuild most vessels.

Probably not too hard to do with a little thought and effort. Wood, cardboard, polystyrene foam board, and styrene plastic strips/sheets are a good bet for materials. Foamboard might work as well – the thin stuff, with paper/cardboard backings on each side.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2009 9:46 p.m. PST

Top Gun,

Those GZG Ravagers look fantastic:

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I understand they are already on the GZG website for orders.

I also like many in the GZG armed civilian packs, maybe for the island defenders.

In the other thread, Eli (emu2020) said the following: "Looks like you could pretty much use the whole Peter Pig AK47 Republic line as well as any number of 'Nam figs for these in 15mm."

Peter Pig:

peterpig.co.uk/range1.htm
peterpig.co.uk/range17.htm

As for scratch-building water craft, I guess it would be a first for me.

I wonder what HO scale boats look like these days (sail and motor types).

Are there more suggestions out there?

CC

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2009 9:58 p.m. PST

As for small boats . . .

These look tiny, but might simply be the photos:

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But, then again, most of the surviving urban "islands" would have very small waterways between them. So, I suspect, most of the fighting would be with small boats against the island residents.

But what about boats like these, and those that were used to patrol rivers in Vietnam?

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borrible Inactive Member30 Jun 2009 10:26 p.m. PST

@Cacique
I fear the time you will have covered all adventure genres in all scales.
What will you explore then?
Jenna Jameson in 2mm?
;-)))

Keep up the good work!

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2009 3:24 a.m. PST

Thanks!!!

Then I'm sure you'll like this image (to better visualize this topic):

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Imagine a fleet of boats going upstream to "rape, pillage and plunder" the people living in those ruins.

And about the GZG armed civilians I mentioned above, look at this . . .

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Also, GZG just made the announcement on their "Ravagers":

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Von Trinkenessen01 Jul 2009 3:49 a.m. PST

Waterworld meets Apocalypse Now…

Oh the horror, remember never get off the boat!!!!

Cacique Caribe your definately journeying into the heart of wargaming darkness.

Check out some of the 10mm boats produced,we've used some
underscale boats in our current 15mm scifi demo game see July issue Miniature Wargames for photo evidence.

GuyT.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2009 5:56 a.m. PST

"Cacique Caribe your definately journeying into the heart of wargaming darkness."

I take that as a compliment!

One of my main goals is to always try to think outside of the box and promote interest in things that have not been done before.

CC

ComradeCommissar Inactive Member01 Jul 2009 7:28 a.m. PST

CC, not sure if this has been posted yet, but from the game Fallout 3:
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Eli Arndt Inactive Member01 Jul 2009 8:42 a.m. PST

Any of Peter Pig's AK47 range as well as various 'Nam ranges would work for pirates and other militant survivors.

As for boats. Small dugouts and sanpan style boats would likely come back. Also, a lot of aluminum flat bass and small fishing boats would be converted to pole-pushers and rowed boats. Such boats would be relatively simple to make out of balsa or card.

-Eli

Gaz004501 Jul 2009 8:57 a.m. PST

Check out the generic boat hulls from The Square, resin casts for adding superstructure etc to taste…….used some for 20mm stuff…..
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Eli Arndt Inactive Member01 Jul 2009 11:29 a.m. PST

Would you say they would be suitable for 15mm? I suppose you can get away with a lot in a PA setting as you can justify any odd-sized, cobbled together look.

-Eli

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2009 12:19 p.m. PST

ComradeCommisar,
Very nice picture! I think I saw an episode of "Life After People" where a battleship or carrier turns into an island/platform, with lots of bird life and lush vegetation.

Gaz04550,
Those look really cool! The fact that they are scaled for 20mm might allow appropriate space for based 15mm figures to move about.

CC

chironex01 Jul 2009 6:52 p.m. PST

There are 20mm boats at Minimi, though that is too big noone will notice as boats are so small, especially when you are on one!
CC, those HO boats, much the same story, big but close enough.
The 1/72 torpedo boats, though, are incredibly large.
Black Cat have smaller boats, the 15mm ones in the Little Green Man range are marked on their site:
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Shanty boats are simple to scratch:
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And also, when there is hardly any facilities to make a boat modern style, look for the return of rafts and native style canoes.

15mm is so much more practical for boat combat.
What rules are you planning to use?

chironex01 Jul 2009 6:53 p.m. PST

Gaz: how do you get those hulls from the Square?

Eli Arndt Inactive Member01 Jul 2009 7:29 p.m. PST

I have not even considered rules.

Heh…

-Eli

Gaz004502 Jul 2009 2:37 a.m. PST

Email the 'Man' at nigelpell(at)btinternet.com, or try and catch him at Bovington or some of the shows in the south of England……unless your across the pond……..
Emu, there are no scaled identifying marks on the hulls so they would just seem a bigger vessel in 15mm…..several other types available too…….
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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2009 10:50 a.m. PST

Gaz04550,

That last link is amazing. Must give in and try my hand at making something like that. As I said earlier, I've never done boats, mainly for fear that they will not be symetrical on each side.

I've gotta try it though.

And I better get my hands on quite a few "tires" too:

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Thanks.

CC
PS. For ideas on how to make those urban "islands":
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Eli Arndt Inactive Member02 Jul 2009 11:35 a.m. PST

Thanks Gaz,

I am across the pond and then the whole country for that matter.

Thanks for the tips on the hulls.

-Eli

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2009 2:06 p.m. PST

How about turning a few of these cheap Airfix 1/72 Higgins Boat LCVP Landing Craft (about $5 USD or $6 USD each) into something more post-apocalyptic?

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Your thoughts?

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Eli Arndt Inactive Member02 Jul 2009 2:24 p.m. PST

Mount a crane on one and convert it to be the junk dealer's salvage rig. Big open space for collecting stuff and a drop plant for unloading to his scrap heap. Or another idea would be to do one up as a pirate rig. Perfect for assaulting the urban islands.

-Eli

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2009 4:01 p.m. PST

"Or another idea would be to do one up as a pirate rig. Perfect for assaulting the urban islands."

Rig, as in sails? If so, that makes a lot of sense, once they have no other sources of fuel.

CC

Eli Arndt Inactive Member02 Jul 2009 4:43 p.m. PST

Ah, sorry.

I meant rig as in vehicle. I can see some sort of oar bank or perhaps even manually powered screws like in some of the old Civil War era subs.

-Eli

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2009 4:53 p.m. PST

LOL. I was imagining sails like these on the flat bottom boat (landing craft):

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Or just add a roof like this and turn a couple of them into floating houses:

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Mine would never look as nice, I'm sure. And it may have a combination of corrugated sheets, tarps and other things as a roof . . . to stay in the post-apocalyptic theme.

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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2009 5:22 p.m. PST

This is neat-looking:

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Eli Arndt Inactive Member02 Jul 2009 5:39 p.m. PST

I had been looking at those houseboats myself. I'm not so quick with the links. I do agree that they would likely be less posh, though in some senses, I don't why that would have to be a given. Many of those boat designs have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years and are handmade.

-Eli

chironex02 Jul 2009 6:26 p.m. PST

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Yay-haw! Ah gots me one o' them "house boat" thangs!
CC: Junk rig or not, never put sails on a punt hull, no matter how many you may have seen done before.
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Eli Arndt Inactive Member02 Jul 2009 6:45 p.m. PST

The redneck houseboats make a lot of sense. Salvaging existing living quarters out of the ruins.

-Eli

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2009 2:27 p.m. PST

If we are talking about settings within just a generation of the sea rise chaos, while today's weapons and clothing are still being used . . .

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The Peter Pig AK-47 Militia and Hardened Militia could easily play the part of Cuban or Columbian pirates attacking urban "island" inhabitants/survivors of the American Atlantic and Gulf coasts:

peterpig.co.uk/range17.htm

Wouldn't you agree?

These Rebel Minis packs could be useful too, particularly the "Modern Insurgents" with their head scarfs:

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The Rebel Minis "Fedayeen" figures, however, seem smaller than the other ones mentioned above:

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Eli Arndt Inactive Member03 Jul 2009 3:53 p.m. PST

Honestly, I think any sorts of insurgents, rebels, militia etc would be suitable. Religious and ethnic clothing styles are bound to last beyond the disaster. Also, you might find various clothing styles expanding beyond their normal national borders as folks fight turn to the tried and true to protect from the elements.

-Eli

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP04 Jul 2009 11:32 a.m. PST

What do you guys think of this other landing craft?

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Eli Arndt Inactive Member04 Jul 2009 12:00 p.m. PST

Biggest problem with any of those landing craft is that they really aren't likely to be around in a far enough future. If you are planning on having new ones built from crap, the basic design is sound.

-Eli

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP04 Jul 2009 12:35 p.m. PST

How about barges then? Does anyone make them in HO scale?

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Eli Arndt Inactive Member04 Jul 2009 1:08 p.m. PST

Nom but very simple to make with some scrap foam and board.

-Eli

chironex05 Jul 2009 6:54 p.m. PST

I had a HO barge once, and sold it someone in the US. It took such a long time I vowed never to send stuff by sea again.

Eli Arndt Inactive Member05 Jul 2009 7:43 p.m. PST

Barges can only move so fast..:)

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP05 Jul 2009 9:23 p.m. PST

LOL.

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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP21 Jul 2009 9:41 a.m. PST

The Pirate home base could look something like this:

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On their very own island haven:

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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2009 12:15 p.m. PST

Photos of modern pirate ships/boats:

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It is amazing the number of photos you can find of modern-day pirates from Southeast Asia, Somalia, Nigeria, Venezuela and Columbia.

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Pole Bitwy PL24 Jul 2009 1:23 p.m. PST

Shanty town ? ;)

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Mil Dot Inactive Member26 Jul 2009 7:44 p.m. PST

How about a series of river barges to tie their smaller boats to a floating dock and then have shanty shacks on the barges as a home base of sorts.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP26 Jul 2009 8:46 p.m. PST

There ya go! That's the idea.

CC

Mil Dot Inactive Member27 Jul 2009 9:23 p.m. PST

I kind have an idea of several large river barges tied together and gangplanks, In a large "U" shape with floating docks with gangways, or stairs more to the inside of the protecting "U" of the barges, for the smaller boats, some watch towers and shanties or more structural buildings, heavier weapons positions, and outer wall with gun ports done with shipping containers, a crane on one of the barges to load large stuff, maybe at a point for a large ship to dock, smaller boats go out get the loot, bringing the loot back to this point then load on a larger boat to haul to market. some storage points small warehouses on a couple of barges.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2009 1:35 p.m. PST

Some of these templates might be useful for this, don't you think?

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Mil Dot Inactive Member28 Jul 2009 3:51 p.m. PST

Sure CC I would just bring them a little more up to date. A couple of gun rings a little longer maybe.

Mil Dot Inactive Member28 Jul 2009 11:03 p.m. PST

The place, the new delta of the Mississippi river, Natchez Mississipi also known as Barge town the Pirate haven, you know just before you get there, you will be passing through shanty boat row, shanty boats that line both sides of the river not a good place to be if you start anything with the locals there, here your pretty much on your own. you can't out run them here for they know where all the underwater structures are, turn a bend and there lies a building half submerged, or in up on the rock pile of a rubble building, collapsed from the pounding waves.

There you go play off of that.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2009 3:37 a.m. PST

Guys, look at the terrain these fellas made:

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However, imagine those islands as rooftops or collapsed mounds of debris.

QUESTION:
Could rules like these be adapted for PA weapon use?

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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP11 Aug 2009 1:41 p.m. PST

My humble PA stronghold:

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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2009 9:43 p.m. PST

This would be a cool gaming scenario:

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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP16 Aug 2009 1:08 a.m. PST

If someone makes jet skis in N scale, like these, shouldn't there be someone that does them in HO as well?

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