"an Idea for a "near future" line and game" Topic

By now you should have heard of the Russians planting their flag a few thousand feet beneath the north pole. Seems there are supposed to be major oil reserves down there.

So I started thinking- you could do a war at 4,000' below in large powered armor like suits. Fighting for territory (and planting flags).

It was just an odd thought I had of these guys fighting down there being actually harder than fighting in space (the pressure). would it be just try to punch a hole in the other guyr's suit? or would you have mini guided torpedos or something. Intersting idea anyway.

AND the best paret is you get to play Americans Against the Russians again! Which is almost, but not quite, as much fun as fighting nazis.

If anyone wants to run with this idea please feel free.

As a demo game at a con it could work.
Might even be worth using the Mongoose Publishing Grizzly exosuits as submersible exosuits.

More likely shark like robots with lasers on their heads controlled by operators in subs. The power suits would be for the poor oil workers who of course would have made modifications for their own defense.

Um, the deep sea is a far more extreme environment that space. Why not just fight on the surface? Nobody's going to be able to extract resources w/o control of the surface, anyway.

Besides, it'd be the Canadians vs. the Russians – they claim most of the arctic circle.
-Kle.

Well, Regiment Games is doing a Kold Wars range based on the old "Ice Station Zebra" film.

Robotic sharks? Cool looking but impractical. I'm thinking robotic crabs with interchangable claw tools…

Yet another use for the totally awesome Yellow Submarine "Machinen Krieger" 1/35 power armour suits!

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"Besides, it'd be the Canadians vs. the Russians – they claim most of the arctic circle."

The Russians would overrun the table.

CC

"The Russians would overrun the table."

Totally wrong, canada would kick ass as usual.

Okay, okay, given the same amount of troops, my money is on Canada. LOL.

CC

Nobody's going to be able to extract resources w/o control of the surface, anyway.

Oh, I don't know about that. If the drillheads are on the bottom and submersible technology is advanced a bit, it could be semi-plausible. Didn't Frank Herbert do a novel about a submarine oil tanker? "Dragon" something-or-other?

Even without the same head count, my money would be on Canada.

Oh, I don't know about that. If the drillheads are on the bottom and submersible technology is advanced a bit, it could be semi-plausible. Didn't Frank Herbert do a novel about a submarine oil tanker? "Dragon" something-or-other?

Yep, and then whomever controls the surface flies an airplane over with a depth-bomb, and so much for the drillhead.
-Kle.

Production nightmare; plant a flag on the moon and start harvesting it, more practical and no one will shoot you over it.

(no, I am not serious here)

Actually, I am informed by "someone in the know" that this war has been going on for 3 years now with fighting not between nations per say, but various oil coperations with shadow support from their governments.

Suits tend to be used for defense of various drillhead rigs, which minisubs are more of an attach unit- butthey are often detected too easily so there have been cases where men have walked along the ocean bottom in hard suits for 3 days to sneak into a defended area. and wreak havoc on their enemies.

Sharks with lasers? You heard about that? Now I will have to kill you!

I believe Dr Evil has some surplus sharks with laser beams on their heads going cheap.

Good scenario for massive sea level rise, too. Undersea warfare leads to the destruction of methane clathrates and boom! Flood city.

I believe that was, "laser beams on their fricking heads," but, well, OK, I'm late.

The quotation marks go over the "laser" part. :)

CC

Do people realize that the Russians are the only nation to have a deployed hyper-cavitating torpedo?

They also seem to be a bit ahead of us in the submersible gun systems (These are essentially the same as the hypercavitating torpedo, but not guided, and a LOT higher Rate-of-Fire)

I know that the US has put significant resources into hypercavitating systems, but I have not done any significant digging into what has been accomplished.

The theory behind a hypercavitating weapon is simple. The weapon carries a supply of air/gas that is vented from the front of the weapon, creating a bubble of air/gas that the weapon travels in, rather than in the water/fluid through which it would normally travel. This creates an environment where the weapon may travel at very high speeds (mach+ is possible).

Submerged battles are an area that not much is publically known about the new technologies being developed. hypercavitating systems being just the tip of the iceberg.

And oil companies don't exactly do a lot of overt fighting… Most of their competition comes in the form of slant-well drilling and mis-routing or impeeding the delivery of supplies; outhiring or destabilizing the work forces; and other non-combative techniques.

Judas: "And oil companies don't exactly do a lot of overt fighting… Most of their competition comes in the form of slant-well drilling and mis-routing or impeeding the delivery of supplies; outhiring or destabilizing the work forces; and other non-combative techniques."

Except in places like Nigeria, where "security" troops (mercs, actually) are often hired for "protection". :)

However, I assume that, as the Fuel Wars develop, actual military forces will be used to "secure" vital sites.

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Knock yourself out, Jgawne! Lots of potential there.

CC

Hundvig, that book is "Dragon In The Sea"/"Under pressure" depending on where published.

Judas, not questioning the performance of hypercavitation submerible equipment, but one wee query – Does not the turbulence of the gas release and the sound of it's disperse make such things very noisy artifacts and rather less than stealthy? Bill Keith makes mention of it in his two books, and notes that these and acetylene rocket torpedoes are best used at close range, so that by the time you hear all that racket on sonar it is too damn late to do anything about it . . .