Warhammer Fantasy Battle (WHFB)
|A.H. Lloyd (email@example.com)|
|I'm writing this not for the hardcore gamer, but for someone thinking about
The most important thing to remember is keep your head. GW is a slimy,
money-grubbing company out to make a sale at any cost. Many hobby store
owners will likewise feed you their line about using only their supplements
and their miniatures and their paints to fight in their world.
The most fun I have ever had with WHFB is since we decided to trash
the army lists and make up our own. We also put strict limits on
characters and magic, and altered the rule about filling in (we let succeeding
ranks swing if the front rank dies).
All of a sudden, it's a great game! Two nights ago we fought a
massive 2,000 point battle in under two hours and we had a blast. No magic,
no special characters - just masses of troops crashing into each other. It
was the way I feel the game ought to be.
In fact, I believe the reason why people get so hacked off at GW is
not because it's unplayable at any speed, but because they came so close.
Just a few fixes and the thing would be perfect.
The moral of the story: ignore GW and you'll have more fun.
We don't use their over-priced and increasingly plastic figures,
either. Most of my troops are either Essex
or Old Glory (Old Glory's
Revenge line is awesome! You can get a bag of 30 lead figures for less
than 12 plastic GW ones. Even with buying bases, it's less than $1 per
So if you are thinking of getting involved, by all means do so, but
know what it is that you want to do. As far as fantasy combat systems,
with a few tweaks it works great. Once you start to buy-in to GW's little
world, however, you're going to be in a world of pain.
|matthew mcgreevey (firstname.lastname@example.org)|
|I have to say, I have been playing GW for years, and if it wasn't for
Games, I would still be stuck in that good, but all-too-expensive game.
Warzone... wonderful system, with great background and armies.
They just redid the rules, and boxed
it (i.e. like WHFB), but the game got better, and looks better, and is presented
in a more sensible manner.
Chronopia...ditto... much better than WHFB.
Target's minis are getting better by leaps
I worked in a game store for 3 years and to say
GW are money-grubbing scum is to be kind. With $800 minimum orders!!!!
That is a tall order for a small store to swallow more than once every two
or three weeks. They always tell us, "Oh, you have to get this and you must
have that!!" They are ruthless!! On the subject of their games
themselves... they are decent, but way too expensive!!
I wish RalGames would get
Battlestorm rolling again, but after
the buyout of Ral Partha by
FASA's buyout by Decipher, I don't
In terms of fit, GW minis have some of the best around. I've never had
an assembly problem with their minis. T'Char the Dragon from RP is a
different story. I do buy and paint some of GW's minis, but I make sure to
buy from a discount seller, 30% off, 2-week turnaround on orders...
Price-wise it's a gouge, and with all the stats lookup you have to do,
and mod requirements, Warhammer Fantasy gets to be a hassle. I'd rather roll and total dice,
then lookup mods. Battlestorm uses scads of dice. Lots of them, and different
kinds to represent modifiers. Roll, add, then compare. Combat takes only 2
dice contests per side. See if you hit, see if you wound. Modifiers for
weapon str, acc, etc, are taken care of by using different dice in the roll,
and thats listed on the army card you make. Seems like a lot, but being
newbies, I finished off 1000-2000 pt games (80+ figures) in a hour or so,
and man, there is carnage. When you commit your forces, you better hope they
|Folks, I think that many people are missing the key marketing point GW is
using. It is that they simply follow the Magic the Gathering cardgame marketing
formula. Warhammer Fantasy is not really a miniatures game, but more akin to any of the
cardgames currently available. Here's why:
- They constantly promote the tournament/competition game - like a card
- They release new super-special figures every month that enable you
to win in the "tournaments" - like new special cards
- They foster the competitive aspect, so players will constantly buy
the new figures and upgrade to do better against other players - like card
- The games are largely show-downs between the hero-types or special
stuff on each side. (It still is - they are never going to change that.
Although people think it's better in one version or another, it is just more
cleverly masked in some versions more than others.) - again, like a card game
- They have routinely made obsolete entire figure lines (Epic, many, many
character figures), forcing players to spend more cash to play again with
their same armies!!?? That is unheard of in miniature gaming, but hey, from
a business standpoint, it's great. (GW is a publicly traded company in the
UK. They are no longer a bunch of gaming enthusiasts who started a company -
they are now purely profit-oriented corporate types who must satisfy their
stockholders...which isn't all bad, but I believe they have lost touch
with their customers' needs.)
So, by creating the "tournament" atmosphere and constantly upgrading
characters or adding special items, people have a "need" to buy them to
beat other players and win tournaments, just like Magic the Gathering! That is their
goal. It's not a bad thing, it's just not a miniatures game. Yes, you can
play it for fun (just like Magic, but who does?).
Guys, if you like the game, great, enjoy it; but please, pull your head
out of the sand and recognize that any company that sells 8 plastic figures
in a box for US$12.50 is gouging you. That is more than what the Foundry
sells lead figures for, and are of much better quality than the plastic
ones. (Note: the Foundry is actually on the high end of historical mini
Another case in point is that the figures marketed as Bretonnians are
in some cases the exact same figures sold as part of the Foundry's "Baron
Wars 1200-1300 AD" line, and the Bretonnians cost nearly 3 times as much.
I invite any of you to check that out and then see what you think.
By the way, their figures of today aren't nearly as good as the ones
GW sold several years ago, I was comparing my old Wardancers to today's
version. The new ones are a lot more stiff and have more exaggerated,
cartoon-like features, and the detail is just not as sharp.
Lastly, I pose a simple question: does anyone think that the legions
of younger gamers that GW pulls in will ever move on to other miniatures
games and otherwise help the hobby grow? I personally don't think so. I
hope I am wrong. What do you think? I played GW for 10 years
and grew very tired of it and moved on, but I seem to be very much the
|James Humphries (Karn@webcircle.com)|
|Are you nuts?? Pay what?? For a game??
Back in the 70's, my folks thought I was crazy for paying "a lot" of
money to keep current with Dungeons and Dragons. I shudder to imagine what
they would think of me now. :-)