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Trockledockle05 May 2023 4:18 a.m. PST

About a year ago, I mentioned that I was considering doing this to include new inflation that has become available in the last 50 years.. Here is the first part. As I don't speak German and don't have access to the original books much of the information is second hand from for example this forum. I have tried to reference it wherever possible. My thanks to all the contributors e.g. Oliver Schmidt.

If anyone notes any errors, please add them to this topic and I will update. My intention is to finish the landwehr and National Cavalry units next.

UPDATE STARTS HERE

Part 3 Regular Cavalry

(a) Organisation

Page 43
Replace the last sentence starting "in 1815, the National Cavalry…….of this work" with

"A substantial reorganisation of the cavalry took place in March 1815. New regular regiments of all types were raised from cadres of existing regular regiments, the newly occupied territories, volunteer formations (see 5b) and the National cavalry regiments. In most cases, there was insufficient money and time to issue new uniforms and the men of these regiments in the Waterloo campaign wore the uniforms of their original regiments."

Page 47
Replace " the uhlans were armed with a steel tipped wooden lance" with " the uhlans were armed with a steel tipped wooden lance 3.285m long (ref 6)

(b) The uniforms of the Kurassier Regiments

Page 47
After the table with the numbered regiments add
"The Garde du Corps was removed from the line and the 4th Kuirassiers became the 3rd. The Magdeburg Kuirassier Regiment was raised in March 1815 and became the 4th Regiment with yellow facings.(References 1 and 2.)"

Page 51
Replace the last paragraph with

The saddle cloth used by the Kuirassier Regiments was cut square and in the facing colour with a double outer edging in the colour of the buttons, white or yellow. The edging was metallic for officers. The Garde du Corps had this trim divided by a black line and the Brandenburg regiment had a red saddle cloth from 1812. (Reference 2).

(c) The Uniforms of the Dragoons

Page 53

Insert after the table listing the regiments.

The 7th was raised from elements of the 1st West Prussian, Brandenburg and Neumark Dragoon Regiments (reference 2). Reference 4 states that the new uniform was not received in time for the Waterloo campaign. The 8th was raised from elements of the 2nd West Prussian and Lithuanian Dragoon Regiments and the Elbe National Cavalry Regiment.

(d) The Uniforms of the Hussars

Page 53

Add to last paragraph

In 1815, the system was changed (ref 8). In the line hussar regiments 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 12 all ranks wore black fur . In the other line hussar regiments (until 1832), white fur was worn by the men and NCO and gray fur by officers.On campaign, the hussars usually wore the dolman but not the pelisse. The pelisse was worn buttoned up in colder weather (ref 7).

Page 54

Replace sentence beginning "In March 1815………..regiments" with "In March 1815, six new Hussar regiments were formed from cadres from existing regiments, National Cavalry Regiments, regiments from occupied territories and volunteer formations."

Insert after the second table listing the new regiments.

The 7th were formed from the 1st Leib Hussars and the Silesian National cavalry.

The 8th were formed from the 4th squadron of the 2nd Leib, the 5th squadron of the Brandenburg and a squadron of the 2nd Silesian Hussar regiments. In the Waterloo campaign, they wore the uniforms of the original regiments (ref 4).

The 9th were formed from the 5th squadrons of the 1st Silesian and the Pomeranian Hussars and a squadron from the Lutzow Freikorps Hussars. In the Waterloo campaign, they wore the uniforms of the original regiments (ref 4).

The 10th were formed from the Elbe National cavalry regiment and retained that regiment's uniform as shown in the table above.

The 11th were formed from the Berg Lancers. Although these were originally lancers, in Prussian service they wore a Hussar uniform as described in the above table from 1814 (ref 4).

The 12th were formed from Saxon Hussars.

(d) The Uniforms of the Ulans

Page 58

Add the following:

Five new regiments were formed in 1815. The regulation uniforms were the same as those of the existing three regiments with the following shoulder straps and buttons (ref 2).

4th Light blue/yellow
5th White/white
6th Red/white
7th Yellow/white
8th Light Blue/white

As with the dragoons and hussars, the replacement uniforms and czapkas arrived after the Waterloo campaign. The information on reorganisation comes from references 1, 3, 4, and 5.

The 4th were formed from detachments from the 1st Uhlans, Pomeranian National Cavalry and Silesian National Hussars.

The 5th were formed from detachments from the 2nd and 3rd Uhlans along some from the Berg Hussars (see 11th Hussars above). The Berg lancers did not have lances (ref 4).

The 6th were formed from the Von Lutzow Freikorps cavalry regiment and some men from both Russo-German Hussar Regiments. They wore black hussar dolmans as described on page 85. A contingent of Bremen Volunteers attached to the 6th wore the same uniform. They were armed with lances (ref 4).

The 7th were formed from the 2 squadrons of the Hellwig Hussars and one of the von Schill Freikorps. The Hellwig contingent wore the uniform as described on page 85. An 1814 portrait shows a hussar from the von Schill contingent wearing a blue dolman although the regimental history states that they wore "partly green, partly red dolmans and pelisses, with yellow or white cords" (ref 5). The von Schill Freikorps hussars had originally been recruited from the 2nd Silesian Hussars who had a green uniform. No lances were carried. Saxon Uhlans joined in August 1815 (ref 5).

The 8th were formed from 2 squadrons of the 1st Russo-German Legion Hussars and 2 squadrons of the 2nd Russo-German Legion Hussars. In the Waterloo campaign, they were not equipped with lances and wore the uniforms of the original regiments (ref 4). The 1st were equipped as described on page 87 while the 2nd had black pelisses and dolmans with black lace and light blue collars and cuffs. By Waterloo, the Russian Kiwer shakos had been replaced with British Hussar fur hats for all squadrons (ref 5).

Many units had a squadron of Freiwilligen Jager attached. These are covered in more detail in pages 80 to 82.


References
1: Napoleonic Army Handbook- The British Army and her Allies, Partridge and Oliver, Page 205
2: Prussian Napoleonic Cavalry Volume 2, page 19, P. Hofschroer, Osprey MAA172
3: The Prussian Army during the Napoleonic Wars 1792-1815, G. Nafziger, Volume III
4: The Prussian Army of the Lower Rhine 1815, pages 19, P. Hofschroer, Osprey MAA496
5: Prussian Uhlans 1815 TMP link
6: Prussian Uhlans Question TMP link
7: Calpe Miniatures link
8: Pelisse Fur of the 8th Prussian Hussars TMP link

14Bore05 May 2023 4:49 a.m. PST

This would help anyone doing the Waterloo campaign. I started building my Prussians using these amalgamated units but switched to 1813 so broke them up.

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