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Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP28 Apr 2021 7:12 a.m. PST

Just that really.

I am about to start on a bunch of 1/72 8th Prussian Hussars, First squadron for 1815. I had (stress had) a notion that their black rig would make painting a little quicker and they are very iconic.

Art Min make very nice figures, but many come with a slung pelisse moulded on and none with a rolled cloak. The latter I have corrected on some (even covers some of the Dollman lace work). The former I can live with frankly

But the fur on the pelisse? White or black for the troopers? I have found both shown and not just for their parent unit. I would also love to do a Death's Head on the shako covers, but I think that was unlikely by then.

Any advice much appreciated

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP28 Apr 2021 10:14 a.m. PST

As I recall the fur for most Prussian hussars was white but it was changed in 1815 to black for some regiments, including the 8th

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP28 Apr 2021 11:07 a.m. PST

I was hoping for that. Both have been shown and, for example, Cent Jours shows white. Black looks better.

OK, we should not be seeing a slung pelisse anyway, in combat, at Waterloo. But it looks good. Like flags for Landwehr!

Tango0128 Apr 2021 1:27 p.m. PST
18CTEXAN28 Apr 2021 1:46 p.m. PST

WOW Tango/Armand!!
GREAT WORK!!

14Bore28 Apr 2021 2:40 p.m. PST

From Nash
8th 1st Westfalishes Husaren Regiment Dark blue Dolman and Pelisse, light blue cuffs and collar, lace white, fur white for troopers, black for NCO, grey for officers

Tango0128 Apr 2021 3:20 p.m. PST

Thanks my friend!.

Armand

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP29 Apr 2021 2:18 a.m. PST

Many superb links there. Thanks to all but Tango especially

Interesting to read that Mont St Jean may have got the various Hussar regts confused. Easily done as they constantly changed names and numbers, let alone uniforms! The claim there is that the 8th at Waterloo was a new 8th raised from three parent bodies, each of three squadrons reflecting that. Prussians are never easy……..

Oliver Schmidt29 Apr 2021 3:10 a.m. PST

The 8. Husaren-Regiment was put together in early 1815:

1st squadron of the former 2. Leib-Husaren-Regiment (on the morning of 18th June 1815, the men were allow to re-fix to their shakos the death head emblems, which they had kept)
2nd squadron of the former Brandenburgisches Husaren-Regiment
3rd squadron of the former 2. Schlesisches Husaren-Regiment (red, had been with Hellwig in 1813/14)

The Freiwillige Jäger of this regiment did not wear the usual green, but the regulation uniform introduced for the regiment on 25th March 1815. They did not form a squadron by themselves, but formed a squad as part of each of the three squadrons.

The 8. Husaren-Regiment of 1815 had nothing to to with the old Prussian 8th hussar regiment (in 1806 Husaren-Regiment von Blücher), which was dissolved in 1806, and from whose rests in 1808 the Pommersches Husaren-Regiment was formed.

Oliver Schmidt29 Apr 2021 3:20 a.m. PST

As for the fur: From 1808 to 1815, the men of the six line hussar regiments had white fur on their pelisses, the NCOs black fur and the officers gray fur.

In 1815, the system was changed. Line hussar regiments 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 12 black fur for men, NCOs and officers. The other line hussar regiments (until 1832) white fur for men and NCOs, gray fur for officers.

The 1st squadron of the 8 Leib-Husaren-Regiment still wearing the uniforms of the 2. Leib-Husaren-Regiment, had white, black and gray fur, according to their rank.

Personal logo 4th Cuirassier Supporting Member of TMP29 Apr 2021 3:37 a.m. PST

I was going to guess grey fur, as a joke, and then per Oliver's post above it turns out it was grey.

Has anyone ever fought an ACW battle using Napoleonic Prussians? I'd think you could.

von Winterfeldt29 Apr 2021 4:40 a.m. PST

at least Oliver Schmidt knows what he is talking about, I would follow his advise.

8. Hussaren are making an attractive regiment in 1815, 3 different regiments, quite colourfull.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP29 Apr 2021 9:04 a.m. PST

This is just brilliant. I am very grateful to all and will send a PM too, to say so.

I have painted two, just two and am convinced they will look good. But my idea that black will save time, I have now forgotten

Captain Siborne29 Apr 2021 11:20 a.m. PST

TMP is an incredibly helpful resource!

Tango0129 Apr 2021 12:46 p.m. PST

Happy for you my good friend!.

Armand

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP29 Apr 2021 1:54 p.m. PST

Yes, I am happy. I wondered if such an obscure topic would get any response, let alone at this level.

If von W likes a Prussian uniform appearing this late in the Napoleonic wars, they must look good. Now I just have to do them justice.

Personal logo 4th Cuirassier Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2021 2:30 a.m. PST

@ deadhead

Don't forget that black is actually dark grey and white is light grey. Grey is grey.

Paint them light grey with a dark grey wash and you're there.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2021 2:46 p.m. PST

Round here everything is the new Grey.

This is a N Yorkshire Moors Village, but every door and window frame is now in some version of Farrow and Ball shades of grey. Weirdest thing is that within two years even that is already becoming passe (there should be an accent over the e, I know, but how do I etc?)

You are right, white is the new black basically.

Erzherzog Johann30 Apr 2021 5:59 p.m. PST

"there should be an accent over the e, I know, but how do I etc?"

Copy and paste :-D

SHaT198430 Apr 2021 10:30 p.m. PST

___ é ´E option+e e …

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