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Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP31 Aug 2020 1:49 p.m. PST

Hi All,

Here's a T-64 platoon of 1/144th scale 3D Print models I've got painted up for a East Ukrainian Conflict game project. These were ordered off of ebay from a seller named Kamiya. The models came in just three pieces, the turret, hull, and cupula with MG, and were easy to clean up and paint.

The flag idea came from forum member Thresher, as flying or painting the colors on a force's vehicles is very common in the conflict, to attempt and distinguish the combatants, considering the similar equipment used by both sides.

The radio antennas are still to be swept back at an angle yet, so they're looking a little too "at attention" at the moment.

Here's the handy view to give you are better idea of their size.

15mm and 28mm Fanatik31 Aug 2020 3:07 p.m. PST

Looks great.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP31 Aug 2020 5:04 p.m. PST

Great work.

Just Jack Supporting Member of TMP31 Aug 2020 7:46 p.m. PST

Fantastic as always! I'm really looking forward to what you come up with for scenario fodder.

V/R,
Jack

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP01 Sep 2020 6:16 a.m. PST

Thanks Gents!

Before I move on to some other models for the project, I'll need to bring some previously-painted BTR-70s up to the same markings/flag-flying level (they'll be dedicated Ukrainian force AFVs after that unfortunately, causing a loss of some side-swapping flexibility, but I like the more "local" look gained).

Hey, who here has played Renegade Legion's Centurion game?

Some of today's modern armor reminds me a lot of those minis and its game artwork

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP02 Sep 2020 6:42 a.m. PST

I'm thinking the encirclement battle of Debaltseve in 2015 offers some context for gaming scenarios.

Here's a good article on this sector's operations -

link

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP04 Sep 2020 6:54 a.m. PST

The Ukrainian BTRs are up to their marking standard now, so here's what could be a Company Tactical Group probing along the M-103 road towards Debaltseve -

Just Jack Supporting Member of TMP04 Sep 2020 10:21 a.m. PST

Very interesting, I'm looking forward to the batreps.

V/R,
Jack

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP04 Sep 2020 11:32 a.m. PST

Thanks Jack!

Batreps will be awhile in coming I'll need to get enough modeling done to have enough for a good scenario matchup, and more importantly, we'll need to final develop and playtest our little ruleset for this conflict too (realistically, probably next year with something actual 'harms-way' to show).

So, in the meantime, I'll just have minis updates to tease with. ;)

Here's something that you may enjoy a Youtube video movie made on the Debaltseve battle and the diplomatic wranglings that occurred during that time (Enjoy!) -

YouTube link

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP05 Sep 2020 3:26 p.m. PST

With the final fate of Ukrainian forces around Debaltseve having been decided early in 2015, much of the fighting over the salient took place in snow and the thaws of those winter months. I've not decided if I'll do this kit as a winter presentation or not, but wanted to know how it might look like if I did.

Here's a test view -

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP08 Sep 2020 1:58 p.m. PST

Adding a BMP-2 platoon to the troops here (with an MT-LBu in the van), and this is the first flagged Separatist unit can call them rebels now for sure.

Each side in the Donbas conflict also operated the BMP-1 in limited numbers in the first year at least, and I think it would be fun to have a platoon of them to mix in, and bolster up an attacking forces numbers (so…."just getting a few more"). ;)

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2020 2:22 p.m. PST

We're kicking around a simplified orders regime for this Hybrid War kit, and here's a mockup comparison of a few counter types being considered (leaning towards using the US Army's "subdued" insignia format as inspiration for the few order types we'll need to indicate in-game and while still looking least invasive as possible) -

I'm liking the black base, round-style with the green order icon. These will be placed flipped over, so the icons aren't revealed until a platoon is being activated during a turn.

UshCha18 Sep 2020 12:06 a.m. PST

FlyXwire, It is of course personal opinion but we settled for our markers on a base of darkish grey. In our games there are lots of roads and woods and grass land. Grey/black seems to be the best neutral colour covering such an issue.

Also its a compromise on visibility, me I like to minimise it. Provided its clear for ajudication if the opponent can't see it in detail at a glance its even better. To that end perhaps an outline of the shape in the colour required would be better, particularly with brighter coloures, just less bright colour.

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2020 7:13 a.m. PST

UshCha, I like your grey suggestion here, and the colored outline idea for the symbols sounds like something I'm going to experiment with too!

These order counters will be placed flipped on their non-descript sides when programmed for each turn, and then revealed when a unit is activated. At that point I'd like the icons and their corresponding colors visible enough to be seen from any participant across a typical game table (with the counter 'surrounds' still remaining subdued since they're literally just place-holders for the order symbols, but your tip of just using symbol outlines would be most elegant looking).

It appears we'll be trying out the first iteration for this 'in-house' ordering routine with the WW2 mod variant we dabbled with this last year (getting away from the Bolt Action dice and the covering caps required for hidden programming, as seen used in some of the pics here) -

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Btw, I've got a Separatist T-72 platoon just about completed now, and will have a few pics of the models soon (toss them to the thread here).

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2020 3:44 p.m. PST

My Separatists T-72Bs here.

(a few more AFV units yet to complete, and all the infantry stands to do, but switching to some other projects now)

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP19 Sep 2020 9:06 a.m. PST

We have a winner!

Using UshCha suggestion, here's some revamped order counters -

UshCha29 Sep 2020 4:44 p.m. PST

Flyexwire, I may be tempted to make tham smaller diameter and perhaps thiner, its alaways a compromise about visibility and stoping the markers distracting play. Your markers look more blue than grey but I assume that is a photo issue. I may would also suggest slightly darker, but again it may be a photo effect. I assume you selected the grey shade by placing the markers on the various terrain forms and chosing the "Least Worse".

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP30 Sep 2020 6:32 a.m. PST

Hi UshCha.

I've transformed these prototypes to versions which are now adhered to magnetic sheet backing instead, so they are still reinforced for handling, and retain some thickness for easy pick up from off of any type of game board surface.

The opposite, magnetic side of each counter is a deep grey/brown color, so perfect for not clashing with the terrain, until they're turned over to their order side, and illuminated when activated.

Each activated counter can also serve as a platform for attaching a smaller marker (showing it as a full-platoon activation order, or by marker absence sub-unt/element activations).

What do the symbols denote you ask? ;)

Personal logo FlyXwire Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2022 6:29 a.m. PST

Just a little bump up.

Wish I had worked more on this collection since.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP02 Mar 2022 3:00 a.m. PST

Now when you first posted this, did you ever really think that…………..?

Maybe you did, but few would have believed you. The Russians are not that stupid, trying to invade and occupy a country the size of France with fewer than 200,000 troops.

Start painting Zs on your armour for the bad guys. Instead of the Battle Flag of the Confederacy on the aerials (only kidding about that)

Soldat05 Mar 2022 1:39 p.m. PST

I actually started working on a 15mm Ukrainian force a couple of weeks ago before the war started.

zardoz1957 Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2022 8:40 p.m. PST

What figures are you using for Ukrainians?

Soldat17 Mar 2022 12:08 p.m. PST

Zardoz, I got the standard Russian MOT infantry so I could get a mix of RPG 7s and 18s. I painted them in green instead of khaki. I may go back and add yellow arm bands.

I will get some Khurasans to supplement as militia. I think I saw some moderns that had AT4s on there as well.

Soldat17 Mar 2022 12:12 p.m. PST

Also I believe Red Dawn is going to be released as an expansion for Team Yankee so I can find more irregulars there.

Captain Pete19 Mar 2022 9:32 p.m. PST

Excellent looking vehicles and terrain FlyXwire!

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2022 6:59 a.m. PST

Excellent modelling ! All looks great ! I did not know ERA could be placed on top of the turret. As the turret armor is generally thinner. And could not take the blast of the ERA ?

Prince Alberts Revenge08 Apr 2022 5:24 p.m. PST

Beautiful work! I only just noticed this thread. At a convention a few years ago I played in a 1/300 game where the scenario was something from the 2014 war. I purchased some GHQ packs to replicate Ukrainian and Russian/Separatist forces. A week or two before the invasion I ordered a few extra packs for the 2014 project.

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