"L4 to Wolfhag ... Over ... " Topic

Received your PM, but could not reply as I'm no longer a Supporting Member …

Got DH'd again on the Ultramodern Forum.

Yes, I was DH'd, etc. Here's the whole "ugly" incident … TMP link

I won't post my email here as with all the s, etc. on the net. That would be like me limping down the street in a bad neighborhood with $100 USD bills hanging out all my pockets … You're a LEO … you know how that would end up !

How's the hip?

Still limping with a cane. Pain varies from 5 – 10. Not constantly but close. So like you & I were taught in our distant youth … it and drive on ! But thanks again for your PM and concern. I wish your son and you as well … all the best ! Stay safe !

Welcome back my friend!. (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

This should get me DH'd again I suppose.

Legion 4 deserves a free Lifetime Membership to TMP but he'd probably reject it.

Wolfhag

Maybe we should have an "Utmost Savagery" board.

Received your PM, but could not reply as I'm no longer a Supporting Member …

Then pay the $2.50 USD for the month. Duh!

YouTube link

Was 'The Great Gatsby' your inspiration, Wolfhag?

I thought both movies captured the novel's essence only to a degree but the book itself is an oeuvre d'art of great aesthetic worth.

For Wolfhag's viewing pleasure, but all are willing to partake in this ultramodern analysis of the roles of the modern-day military from the ivory towers of MIT.

youtu.be/bI_F4Uw0xxc

Cheers.
Rod Robertson.

Legion 4:

Welcome back!

Cheers.
Rod Robertson.

Wolfhag !!!! I completely agree with you Brother ! Thanks for having my 6 ! See you soon when you are released from your internment. If I say anymore I'll end up with ya … back in the DH …

And thanks Tango !

We may disagree often but nice to see you out of the clink L4 :-)

Ralph: greetings & from the stout Lesbian:

qui ferox bellotamen inter arma
sive iactatem religarat udo litore navim

Wolfhag, hang in there. The truth should never be stifled. Got your back. Dennis

I agree bigdennis …

And if you don't understand Latin … I don't … But according to Google -

who fiercely bellotamen between weapons or tossed boat moored wet beach

WDF ?

But I do have a working knowledge of Klingon :

HoS lI' Dalo'Ha'chu'!

That is not what I got when I Googled it … But I still don't know what is means. However, I'm not an intellectual academic type or lesbian either … However, I am fat …

So ?

I understand since I started this thread to contact Wolfhag, that all could read it. However, I don't understand why some feel the need to "stalk" me where ever I go on TMP, it seems.

Regardless I do appreciate the positive comments from e.g. Tango and ABH Surfer … And even bigdennis's comment to Wolfhag.

The others … I don't why they even bother to stalk and continue to "haunt" me … I wish some here would just stifle me. And just leave me and my comrades be. Unless it has something to do with wargames, modelling, etc.

If I say more I'll be DH'd … again …

Wow.

Legion… "Ladran Sancho… señal que cabalgamos!" (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

@ General Disaster

My second favourite Lesbian poet: Alcaeus.

And something from Herself, equally appropriate to TMP:

"Some an army of horsemen, some an army on foot
and some say a fleet of ships is the loveliest sight
on this dark earth; but I say it is who-
ever you desire"

BTW Ralph, "stout" in the sense of "robust" or "durable": jeez; I can't even pay you a complement.

And to quote you for Ralph's benefit: "Well, I'm not stalking you." You challenge my right to read TMP threads & contribute?

Ochoin, I think you mean Sappho (those lines are hers). Alcaeus was a man, though there is a possibility he may have been Sappho's lover.

Sorry, didn't make myself clear. I know very well who Himself (Alcaeus) & Herself (Sappho) were.

I even try to read them in the original as Greek metrical forms are untranslatable.

Thanks again Tango !

As most of you would know, two large fragments of previously unknown poems by Sappho were discovered in 2014.

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I would hold out hope one day for even more from Egyptian papyrus dumps. That possibly the greatest poet ever is represented mostly by fragments is a tragedy.

There's great wisdom as well as profound emotions in all the Greek lyric poets.

Here's one that should be permanently placed on TMP's Front Page:

"Come, friends! let's not shout and scream
like Scythian drunks
but
let us study our figures, friends
and
accompany our gaming with beautiful songs"

Anacreon (with some small changes)

Scythian drunks are the worst.

Scythian drunks

I'm just hoping Bill doesn't jug me for Group Attack.

Well, that in itself is a group attack.

No,Ochoin,I wasn't aware of that,thanks for the link.

I'm hoping for more Pindar.

Close enough for 6mm – link Since the thread has already been "derailed", high-jacked, gone very OT, etc., …

I'm hoping for more Pindar.

Don't be greedy. as you'd know, there's more of Pindar's work extant than any other poet of the period.

Yeah well, call me greedy--I want the rest of Euripides too!

Not to mention Menippus--now there's a guy you can't say we have too much of. I wonder how many readers recognize the conversation in the Green Dragon as Menippean satire?

@ Hafen

Your mention of Pindar encouraged me to go & read his extant work.

Here's one fragment that resonated for all old warriors:

"Creatures for a day!
What is a man?
What is he not?
A dream of a shadow
Is our mortal being.
But when there comes to men
A gleam of splendour given of heaven,
Then rests on them a light of glory
And blessed are their days."

BTW could we get Bill to change the title of this thread to Alcman of Sparta to Bacchylides of Ceos….over….?

It's current title is confusing in terms of the subject matter 87)))

Or one of you could start another thread about the "new" topic …

Or one of you could start another thread about the "new" topic …

Is that an order, Ralph?
In which case you'd probably appreciate this:

"Tell them in Lacedaimon, passer-by
That here, obedient to their word, we lie"

"Truly,friends, I have been whirled along
ever since
the road divided--
all was well till then;

or was it a sudden gust
blew me off course
like a boat at sea?

It is your task,Muse,
if you have taken
silver for your voice,
to let it run shimmering from theme to theme--"

What was the original topic again?

A bit of Bacchylides then; he's no Pindar, but the subject seems timely here.

"Peace in all her sweetness hail!
No more the clarions ravish sleep;
Red rust-stains o'er the speartips creep;
Gray spider-meshes gather on the mail:
Glad youths with girls the Comus-carols share;
In our feastful bowers
Song puts forth her flowers:
Peace with thy children, hail! Hail, Wealth and Order fair!"

Ha! Sounds suspiciously familiar:

"Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths,
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments,
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.

Grim-visaged war hath smoothed his wrinkled front.
And now,instead of mounting barbed steeds
To fright the souls of fearful adversaries,
He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber,
To the lascivious pleasing of a lute".

That Shakespeare--what a plagiarist!

Is that an order, Ralph?

No it is not. Just an observation …

In which case you'd probably appreciate this:

No I don't appreciate that. I'm not an intellectual academic, and never have had much interest in poetry …

Just appears that continuing to talk about poetry is a bit OT. And probably should be moved to another board or thread. But don't let me stop anyone for talking about poetry or any other subject for that matter.

However, I would think since this has nothing to do with the original thread. By posting elsewhere you may get more who are interested in the topic.

But don't let me stop anyone

I won't.

What was the original topic again?

a small bunch commiserating with Ralph & a larger group with pitch-forks. Not overly edifying or useful, I'd have thought.

Although not Sappho, my favourite Lyric poem….& probably my favourite poem (Rabbie Burns, not withstanding).

(a "loose" translation of Callimachus).

" They told me, Heraclitus, they told me you were dead;
They brought me bitter news to hear and bitter tears to shed;
I wept, as I remembered, how often you and I
Had tired the sun with talking, and sent him down the sky.

And now that thou art lying, my dear old Carian guest,
A handful of grey ashes, long, long ago at rest,
Still are thy pleasant voices, thy nightingales, awake;
For Death, he taketh all away, but them he cannot take."

("Heraclitus", by William Johnson Cory, 1823-92)

Now that's beautiful.

a small bunch commiserating with Ralph & a larger group with pitch-forks. Not overly edifying or useful, I'd have thought.

Once again … you prove to be contrary … I'm not surprised … And you forgot about the torches … And pitch forks. And you use the term edifying …

My understanding of the word and the internet agrees –

instruct or improve (someone) morally or intellectually.

synonyms: educate · instruct · teach · school · tutor · train · guide

What makes you think I should improve morally or intellectually ? I'd think that is a bit judgmental … at least … To say more would get me DH'd … mostly likely … again.

Plus I'm not running a popularity contest. What many think is not really my concern generally … You should know that by now. You allude to your knowledge and intelligence often.

And my intent was to contact Wolfhag. Not spur on my detractors, to get more torches & pitch forks. But it seems no one who believes as you do gets that ?

@ Ralph: not quite sure what you mean by any of the above.
Clarity is just not in it.

But still, Sappho has something to say that seems germane:

"Ah, Procne, wherefore dost thou weary me?
Thus flitting out and flitting in . . .
Tease not the air with this tumultuous wing."

BTW I have a spare copy of Jim Powell's "The Poetry of Sappho".
Seeing you've shown an interest in early Greek poetry,send me your address and you can have it.

Well, I don't remember any pitchforks.

I do prefer evoking the Muse over calling down the Furies on anyone.

Legion 4, did you catch my last post here?

TMP link

See? I do try to be helpful when I can!

Hafen, ochoin, I like you both, but Legion does have a point here.He started this thread as a message to a fellow member. Perhaps if y´all moved this to the lounge you could have more fun with it.

Thank you Jack …

And thanks for the intel Haf …

You're welcome,and I hope you can use it. I'm finding that 5 straight hours of ST every night is getting to be too much--even for me!

Like Tydeus resting upon the blood-soaked ground around the Proetides Gate of Thebes, if you continue to gnaw on the head of fallen Melanippus, then you shall lose the grace and protection of the goddess Athena and fall into ruin and death. Leave Legion 4 in peace and do not claim the celebration of muses when in fact furies are sent to assail and vex. This is most unseemly and is just high-brow bullying, an anthropomorphised version of bear-bating. Be better than that.

Rod Robertson.

never have had much interest in poetry …

Not even Carentan O Carentan?
link

The author was in the 101st in WWII:
"While Simpson's early books like The Arrivistes (1949) and A Dream of Governors (1959) show the influence of Auden, they also speak to his horrific experiences in World War II, where he served in the 101st Airborne Division and saw active duty in France, Belgium, and Germany."
link

Thanks to Lt Col Pedant for introducing me to the poem here:
TMP link

@ Rod. You seem to be reading a lot into this thread. Ralph's said he's not interested in poetry. I certainly haven't criticised him for that. But nor does he "own" the thread.

However,

"But do not let us quarrel any more,
No,Rod; bear with me for once:
Sit down and all shall happen as you wish."

Ochoin:

I'm no Lucrezia, I generally dislike Browning and we all know that the Pied Piper of Hamelin had a very dark side. I repeat; be better than that.

Cheers.
Rod Robertson.