| Gazzola | 05 Jan 2016 6:26 a.m. PST |
Has anyone else spotted what suspiciously looks like a tank in the brilliant Waterloo film starring Rod Steiger, Christopher Plummer and Orson Welles. It is about 48 minutes into the film when Napoleon's great victory at Ligny is depicted. The scene shows a wounded Imperial Guardsman leaning against what looks like the front of a tank that has just crashed into a tree. |
Gunfreak  | 05 Jan 2016 6:45 a.m. PST |
Imperial guards can beat anything prussian incuding Nazi armor. |
| Who asked this joker | 05 Jan 2016 8:01 a.m. PST |
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 Flashman14 | 05 Jan 2016 8:20 a.m. PST |
The entire movie is on Youtube – can you find the shot in question? It's broken up into many parts so it's not obvious where exactly you are talking about. |
| ThePeninsularWarin15mm | 05 Jan 2016 9:20 a.m. PST |
It's not a tank, it's a Prussian artillery limber with the yoke sticking into the screen. If you go back a few seconds earlier, you'll see the entire piece. |
| Gazzola | 05 Jan 2016 10:51 a.m. PST |
ThePeninsularWarin15mm My post was tongue-in-cheek and I wasn't expecting anyone to take it too seriously. But thanks for pointing it out for those who may have believed there really was a tank in the film. I hope the post brought some smiles in these troubled times. |
| Gazzola | 05 Jan 2016 10:54 a.m. PST |
Flashman14 The scene is when they cut away from Wellington to Napoleon and his marshals on the battlefield of Ligny. Not long before Napoleon says a field of victory is not a pretty sight. |
 deadhead | 05 Jan 2016 1:01 p.m. PST |
There is nothing that would surprise me about what Bondarachuk did despite the facilities he was granted. We can all get it wrong. Ever seen that tall white radio arial in the distance, in the long closing sequence of The Duellitsts? Hubert looking over the flooded valley……….If Ridley Scott can do it, Sergei surely could have.. The tank, T55 back then I'd have thought. T62 maybe? |
| nsolomon99 | 05 Jan 2016 7:00 p.m. PST |
I thought that because the Prussians at Ligny had such a high proportion of Landwehr they would've still been using obsolete, 2nd Line equipment like Panzer Mark IA's and maybe a few Panzer II's? All the Mark III's and IV's were back in Berlin with the Prussian Guard. |
| Gazzola | 06 Jan 2016 5:13 a.m. PST |
deadhead I saw somewhere that someone said that they saw some of the infantry in the film with later period bolt action rifles. I've not spotted that, as yet, but I may have a closer look when I get a chance to view the film again. Still a great film though, entertainment wise. |
| Mike the Analyst | 07 Jan 2016 3:17 a.m. PST |
IIRC there are photos of infantry with bolt action rifles in the brochure that accompanied the film, |
| Windy Miller | 07 Jan 2016 12:44 p.m. PST |
There are. Most of the extras were equipped with WW2 surplus Moisin-Nagants, firing black powder blanks to create proper smoke. Only those nearest the camera were trained and equipped with actual period muskets. |
| Gazzola | 08 Jan 2016 7:50 a.m. PST |
Windy Miller Oh heck. I have recently received my DVD version (the video player had started to chew up the vids so I'm having to replace them whenever I can) and I know I just won't be able to stop checking out every image with muskets in it from now on. I never noticed them before. Even so, it is still a great film and very entertaining, as it was intended to be. |
| 138SquadronRAF | 08 Jan 2016 8:58 a.m. PST |
Here is a full version of the movie (albeit in French): YouTube link Post Ligny scenes are 38:55 to 41:00. Gazzola, mate your eyes are better than mine, because I couldn't see the tank. What is interesting is that this French cut is that it runs 146 minutes; the British/US versions normally run 123-128 minutes depending on print. We discussed the length on the movie here: TMP link TMP link Re the use of Mosin-Nagant rifles, they used the M91, first introduced in 1891 and used through WWII, in the movie. Most of the time you don't notice it. Hope this helps. |
| deadhead | 09 Jan 2016 4:39 a.m. PST |
Sadly another false hope. A very nice copy, good images, but the timing goes wrong at about the time of Ney's charge. In the end, this is the standard version but, in the absence of a BluRay…………….well done for finding it! and just noticed my missing e in aerial above! Woops |
| Gazzola | 09 Jan 2016 8:06 a.m. PST |
138SquadronRAF It is easy to miss. You have to look closely at the scenes showing the battlefield after the battle of Ligny. In one, you will see a single Imperial Guardsman in the background, who, as I say, is leaning against what looks very much like the front of a tank with the gun barrel sticking out. It is obviously not a tank because I doubt the film makers would get it that wrong, and, as someone already stated, it is probably a gun limber behind him. The post was just meant as a bit if fun, although I intend at some point to check out every scene to see if I can spot those later period rifles. |
| 138SquadronRAF | 10 Jan 2016 9:56 a.m. PST |
Cheers mate. The place the Nagants are most noticeable is the attackon Hougoumont IIRC. Most of the time you don't notice. |
paints brigs for the British fleet.
