Cacique Caribe | 20 Apr 2015 8:56 a.m. PST |
Using the term "rapid" loosely, mind you.
Dan PS. Bi-coastal plans for access and control, it seems: TMP link |
15th Hussar | 20 Apr 2015 9:05 a.m. PST |
Hmmm…isn't there a dissident Muslim population in Kashgar? If so, this might turn into a Chinese Highway to Hell. |
Cacique Caribe | 20 Apr 2015 9:11 a.m. PST |
What 15mm figures do you recommend for Kashgar dissidents? Or do you think they'll most actual confrontations and rely mostly on sabotage and IEDs? I think the latter has the least gaming potential. Dan |
cloudcaptain | 20 Apr 2015 9:48 a.m. PST |
India is going to be absolutely thrilled about this… For a scenario..what about Indian backed rebels trying to stop the road from being built? |
Cacique Caribe | 20 Apr 2015 9:51 a.m. PST |
Now THAT would be interesting! I wonder why they're bypassing Karachi completely. Looks like they end the highway just shy of Iran. Dan |
Garand | 20 Apr 2015 9:53 a.m. PST |
Thinking if things get serious, it would be vulnerable to india interdicting around Lahore or Abbottabad. Damon. |
Cacique Caribe | 20 Apr 2015 10:01 a.m. PST |
I still don't understand the end of the line being all the way to Gwadar. What's over there, other than Baluchi tribes? link Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 20 Apr 2015 10:09 a.m. PST |
Never mind … I withdraw my last question: link
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dreamcitygwadar.wordpress.com A "Master Plan" alright! "China is planning to build a oil refinery at Gwadar as well. the pipeline from refinery will connect to Xingiang in china,. The potential oil pipeline would bring china and Pakistan many economic benefits." link Well, call me paranoid but, doesn't China already have some sort of infrastructure to transport and refine oil from their own western provinces, without having to reach out as far as the Arabian Sea, so close to the Strait of Hormuz? I'm sure that China would require a defensive naval presence of some sort at Gwadar, just like they plan doing in SW Africa and other key places: link TMP link TMP link Well, Djibouti is ok with giving them access to the Red Sea: link Dan |
boy wundyr x | 20 Apr 2015 10:53 a.m. PST |
Would think that the bridges would just be a big target for the Indian Air Force, and I'd guess the bridges are crossing some pretty hefty gorges. |
Cacique Caribe | 20 Apr 2015 11:11 a.m. PST |
So very true. Pictures I've been looking at today show some incredibly scary precipices! Dan |
Augustus | 20 Apr 2015 12:35 p.m. PST |
Djibouti's only play is strategic position. China wants in to the MidEast and moreso Africa. Everyone is getting their tables set for the next round of resource games. Or building a tinder box…. |
Mako11 | 20 Apr 2015 12:46 p.m. PST |
Corridor of Opportunity = Invasion Route, if desired. Since China is a major importer of oil, they're working on more direct routes to obtain it, overland. Apparently, they've built, and/or are building pipelines to transport that through Pakistan. Apparently, their military/trading partnership with Pakistan is quite good, and the latter will be getting numerous new submarines as a counter to India's military purchases/investments. |
cwlinsj | 20 Apr 2015 12:55 p.m. PST |
China isn't going to spend $46 USD-47 billion to build an invasion roadway – don't forget that roads work 2-ways and India has a huge military. It is a commercial venture. China needs access to new ports, resources and a workforce (yes, China is running out of factory workers). I have no doubt that the highway will be top-quality. China's own national roads deliver 11 billion tons of goods every year from their factories to seaports and airports 24/7. Their highways are newer and in better shape than those in the USA. |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 20 Apr 2015 12:55 p.m. PST |
China has become Pakistan's no. 1 arms exporter. They even collaborated on a modern fighter (JF-17 'Thunder' aka FC-1):
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aegiscg47 | 20 Apr 2015 1:27 p.m. PST |
Just a reminder that the next game in the outstanding Next War series by GMT Games is India vs. Pakistan, which will also have scenarios for Chinese intervention. If you haven't tried this series of games and are interested in modern warfare there's a lot to like. link |
Legion 4 | 20 Apr 2015 2:08 p.m. PST |
"China-Pakistan Highway: Rapid Deployment Potential?" Well they ain't building these roads and railways to visit Disneyland ! |
Cacique Caribe | 20 Apr 2015 2:28 p.m. PST |
Maybe not for Disney but perhaps for the pretty artificial islands in Dubai! Anyway, it now seems like China is looking to make some real purdy floating islands: TMP link Dan |
Legion 4 | 20 Apr 2015 2:44 p.m. PST |
They could make an island with stuff on it like Disneyland. And call it Chairman Mao Land ! |
cloudcaptain | 20 Apr 2015 3:12 p.m. PST |
Karachi used to be a rough place…not shocked they are passing it by. |
Cacique Caribe | 20 Apr 2015 3:58 p.m. PST |
Putting aside their strong influence via commercial and government loans, political contributions, trade imbalances and civil engineering projects seemingly everywhere … China's leaders have been like busy bees expanding their control and their ability to flex their military muscles, without any real opposition: - Their aggressive expansion into the entire South China Sea;
TMP link- Their threats that US planes can't land in Taiwan, even during emergencies; TMP link - Their development of a naval string of pearls in the Indian Ocean and the Pacific (Gwadar Port is just one); link link - Their Nicaraguan Canal project;
link- Their ground operations in Yemen; TMP link - Their base in the South Atlantic (Namibia for now)
Have I missed anything else? Do we see a pattern? I see loads of gaming potential everywhere.
Dan |
Cacique Caribe | 20 Apr 2015 8:51 p.m. PST |
Are these uniforms still current for PLA?
Dan PS. Rebel Minis 15mm link link QRF 15mm link |
doug redshirt | 21 Apr 2015 5:16 a.m. PST |
Dont forget that the Chinese use their own people for the work force and security. I give it 20 or 30 years and Pakistan will be the new Tibet. |
Cacique Caribe | 21 Apr 2015 7:21 a.m. PST |
"I give it 20 or 30 years" That long? I'd say more like 10-20. Dan |
walkabout | 21 Apr 2015 7:59 a.m. PST |
Tibet has 3.3 million people and Pakistan has 196 million. Tibet is about 60% the size of Pakistan and mostly mountainous. So there is no chance of China overwhelming or even making e a small dent in Pakistan population. This road will take years to build and who knows if it will ever be finished since Pakistan has always been unstable and China has a lot of problems too. |
cwlinsj | 21 Apr 2015 9:00 a.m. PST |
Pakistan's myriad of peoples and tribes would never submit to China's domination. They are also heavily armed, unlike Tibet or Xinjiang. Just trying to disarm Pakistan would mean decades of war and possibly millions of deaths for both sides. Rather than turning an ally into another foe like India, China has been playing at Byzantine politics for 4,000 years. Better to keep Paks at arms length and a threat to their enemies, than to gain another one (armed with nukes) at their doorstep. This road is an economic investment meant to further cement both country's relations. |
Mako11 | 21 Apr 2015 11:46 a.m. PST |
You'd think that about the Chinese population too, but they do. Today's allies may be tomorrow's foes. |