"If YOU have stifled Tango01 . . ." Topic

I just turned TMP Talk off my front page feed. I feel happier already.

Now when I visit these threads I will be guilty of self-abuse.

A pair of frequent comments are that Tango01 is spamming TMP and that he should be limited to 30 threads per day.

I'm quite a fan of quantified evidence – so let's look at the General message Boards for 15th May and see what we find. Here is a full list of the new threads started by Tango01 that day on any of the General Message Boards.

French Dismounted Dragoons (photos of new product)
Turkish Cavalryman mounted on Arab pony with lance (link to new product)
War machine. (wagon) with horse legs. (link to model)
A world away from Normandy, troops practice modern-day beach landing
Reaper news (link to new product)
Navy to test electromagnetic catapult on carrier
Across The Dead Earth Post Apocalypse skirmish game (link to new product)
Oldest most complete, genetically intact human skeleton (impacts on look of prehistoric gaming figures)
Battle Dog and Püg (Kickstarter type campaign for gaming product)
The World's Most Ignored Conflict Could Soon Become a genocide (modern african wars background)
DS'tone Art – Space Game Mats Wave 2 Kickstarter (new product photos)
Full system Gaming Scenery: Laser o Bundle (photos of new product that looks very cool and I want to buy)
Modular Gladiatorial Arena in 28mm.(Kickstarter type campaign for gaming product)
Dragonfly Mk II Gunship and Transporter.(photos of new product)
A Look At The Five Chinese Conventional Weapon Systems… (modern wars background)
Super Battle in the Artic (photos of superhero game with link to original blogspot)
M17 Whiz-Bang (photos of new product)
Two new buildings for Stalingrand and a railway-track. (photos of new product)
Prototype: Escort Cruiser CE (photos of new product)
1/72 Militiawomen SCW preview (photos of new product)
Grouchy chance (Napoleonic what-if discussion)

The reader will notice immediately that there are 21 threads. So, Tango01 is actually already meeting that demand for 30 or less threads per day.

None of the threads are non-gaming related – figures, new games, wargame what-ifs, background info on current conflicts and military.

Interestingly most of the threads have been hit ~3-400 times. This shows a fair level of interest – compared to other threads that also started on 15th may.

As an aside – I don't recall any manufacturer complain that their product is being brought to the attention of their intended customers. (whoops – just noticed altfritz recent post, so that's 1 although he appreciates the link so maybe that's slightly ambivalent).

And finally – those laser barrier scenery items TMP link are amazingly cool, I would never have trawled the web to find them, I'm very tempted to buy. And they are on special offer (54Euros for the set) link

"Yes, because sooner or later he will make a favorable ruling. Or he'll turn the car around and go home because Ivan DBA won't stop touching Tango."

Hilarious!!

Mark

" I'm asking the Editor to restrain one member"

So If your successful in bulling Bill into "restraining" Tango, do I get to try and get him to "restrain" you?

Hey, made it to over 100 posts!

So what will the "gang of 500" do once they succeed in muzzling Tango? Whether it is having the Editor lock his account, driving him away from TMP never to post again, collaboration with the granting Tango his own space on TMP where he can be "turned off", or by virtue of the mystical "Superstifle". What then?

Will you hound the Editor about others who post content here that you don't agree with, have no interest in, or you don't consider appropriate for gaming because it clutters up the Main Page?

Will you crucify others who post items on the Main Page that have been previously posted by others like you do Tango?

And heaven forbid the holy posts you hold so sacred become the 201st post and fall of the Main Page any way…What will you do then?

I like many of Tango's posts, but I think he needs to tone it down and not post anywhere near as much. It is a matter of degree.

It is now getting to the point where Tango defenders accuse anyone who says anything negative as "Tango haters" or worse, when all most of us are saying is "post fewer items per day" which is NOT the same thing as saying he should not be allowed to post at all.

That, or Editor, create a true "News" section where Tango and others can post pure news items or links, and reserve the "Discussion" boards for questions or topics of debate.

Read the post above mine--"crucify", "hound", "gang of 500"? Where the heck do some of you get this ridiculous level of hyperbole from?

Never mind, the Tango Gang are deaf and blind to all reasonable discussion.

Where the heck do some of you get this ridiculous level of hyperbole from?

We get it from months of constant threads created by people opposed to Tango and his actions. They have been hounding the Editor to do something, even though Tango rarely brakes ant rules.

They not only complain to the Editor that he posts items that have been previously posted, but many make comments on those threads, some are getting close to borderline attacks on his character. Go check Tango's posts yesterday on the M-17 Whiz-Bang and Brigade Models new releases… Yet when someone else re-posts an item they say nothing, and there have been instances when items have been re-posted many times within the span of a few days.

As the original poster stated, there have been 521 people who had stifled Tango, and I believe it was 20thmaine who did the math & figured out that it's a vocal 1% or so who find Tango to be a problem.

Hope that clears it up for you some.

I certainly wish he would he would at least take a look to see if he is reposting something. I do wish we had a super stifle. I think it might satisfy both groups.

I, and many others, have tried repeatedly over several months, to engage Tango, and get him to voluntarily moderate his behavior. So don't accuse me of rushing to grab a pitchfork, that is wrong. Unfortunately, Tango has made it abundantly clear, both by words and actions, that he has no intent of ever voluntarily changing his behavior.

For those of you who have no problem with Tango, obviously we can only agree to disagree. You guys are tired of seeing threads complaining about Tango. I get that, a Tango thread probably gets started every couple weeks now. But think about it from our perspective: every DAY there is another strafing run of SPAM from Tango. So I can assure you, that as frustrated as you are, those of us who feel the other way are equally frustrated, if not more so.

So you express your frustration over Tango's main page spam by spamming the TMP Talk board?

Please,

If you take out the inactive members, the banned members, the sock puppets, the "forgot my password" accounts, one off alts for attacking people, the shill accounts for companies, the I'm too afraid to post under my real name accounts, and the Even though I threw a hissy fit and left the site I want to come back here and see if people are talking about me accounts, Your looking at what like 1000 people who post here?

Why would the lurkers ever post for the first time to debate if they liked or didn't like tango's spamming?

I read most of these threads and the overwhelming majority of the "anti-Tango" posts, including my own, say that they DO enjoy many of his posts but that the sheer number of them is interfering with our enjoyment of the site because it swamps content and affects our viewing of the main TMP page.

The last thread on this subject started with just a simple complaint as above and then several posters jumped in with this "Tango hater" and "morons" and "bullying" along with other descriptive colorful language. All completely uncalled for.

All completely uncalled for.

No, I think they are called for. The man isn't breaking any rules and he is contributing in a meaningful manner, and people are targeting him with constant harassment and bullying tactics.

As the original poster stated, there have been 521 people who had stifled Tango

521 accounts have stifled Tango. It's an important distinction around these parts.

That's, what, 30 actual people? ;)

You're all ridiculous. Neither side in this argument is willing to even hear reason or compromise even a little.

Anti Tango and Pro tango you both look like 4 years olds shouting, "Nuh uh! I'm right!"

Both of you just shut up and stop this.

Any way you cut it – only a very small percentage of TMPers or TMP visitors have stifled Tango01.

Errm, perhaps if you're slicing and dicing to cook the numbers it might, but how could a TMP visitor who is not a member possibly stifle Tango01?

By the way, what is with the dramatic polarization as per one of the OFM's earlier posts?

Indeed, one can be annoyed at some aspects (or impacts) of Tango01's posting behaviour and express that annoyance without necessarily being "anti-Tango", or even stifling him.

Indeed, one can be annoyed at some aspects (or impacts) of Tango01's posting behaviour and express that annoyance without necessarily being "anti-Tango

Indeed. And conversely, one can object to the "anti" Tango bullying threads, etc., and not be "pro" Tango.

Rebelyell2006: We all know no rules are being broken (most of the time), that is why so many people are asking for new rules (or functionality) to be introduced so this behaviour can be addressed or simply ignored. And how can you claim he contributes in a meaningful manner? He doesn't contribute meaningfully to any of the threads he initiates! And you use your lack of understanding of the issue as justification for pathetic name calling – amazing!

UK members may remember these adverts, strangely seem appropriate

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Yup, when you're getting RSI scrolling past all the posts you know you won't be interested in, you know tmp has been Tangoed! (To paraphrase those adverts.) ;-)

521 stifles equals around 1.4 percent of the members of the TMP. Wow ! That questions the legitimacy of this debate…

Luisito: Tango was the first and only (at the time) person I stifled & then I unstifled him when I realised that his threads weren't hidden from my view, only what his content was. I wonder how many people would use the 'super stifle' capability if this was introduced? Would this make the debate more legitimate? (Actually, it would completely address the issue and make any debate redundant!)

Just opening this thread, as a puzzled witness.
Well, I sometimes do open Tango's stuff, often interesting links. And if not so what? If you don't like it, why read them?
I will never understand censorship of stuff that is not forced on you.

Since both statistics are meaningless anyway.
Stifles are inflated by sock puppet accounts (I have several for just that purpose) and membership stat is inflated ….

By all means, use both !

Dammit, at least Tango posts things relative to the hobby. It is sick that this grumbler band spends so much time complaining and posting threads which have nothing to do with wargaming at all and which push other, relevant threads out of the front page.

;-)

Well, I sometimes do open Tango's stuff, often interesting links. And if not so what? If you don't like it, why read them?
I will never understand censorship of stuff that is not forced on you.

That is not the problem.

The problem is the way that prolific posts push interesting stuff off the Home Page before some people (who don't actually come here every day) get to see it.

"I will never understand censorship of stuff that is not forced on you."
You're right, you are puzzled. The Super Stifle is not censorship, just removes the clutter a normal stifle leaves behind.

"Dammit, at least Tango posts things relative to the hobby."
You say, and I do to (for the most part), but, and I'm just guessing here, apparently not everyone feels that way.

Thanks to both of you for another round of "I like TMP this way, so you should too! I don't know why other people complain when I don't have a problem, there's no way that I would ever have a problem with this, so you guys should shut up." Very informative and no doubt will lead to a solution for all…

Jack

"That is not the problem.

The problem is the way that prolific posts push interesting stuff off the Home Page before some people (who don't actually come here every day) get to see it."
AOk did not see this technical pb, as I don't come here that often. In which case yes we do lose stuff "out of sight". Did not even notice.
In that case yes there is a pb.

He is now becoming a local star! Bet no one here ever had so much attention (if maybe unwanted). if he is ok he will calm down and, say, wait a bit and group his posts so as not to swamp the page?

if he is ok he will calm down and, say, wait a bit and group his posts so as not to swamp the page?

Based on previous experience, I doubt it, but we live in hope …

Never mind, the Tango Gang are deaf and blind to all reasonable discussion.

Well I don't consider myself in "the Tango Gang" but there seems to be little evidence of "reasonable discussion" emanating from the Anti- brigade. And saying anything in support of Tango, even if it is only to point out that he has as much right as anyone to post and that this constant harassment is wrong, is enough to gain extra stifles. Not really a positive indicator of the Antis' desire to engage in reasonable discussion, is it?

deaf and blind.

Have you not picked up on the fact that nobody is saying that he doesn't have a right to post. People are just asking that he reduce the number of posts so he doesn't drown out the others.

But hey, it looks like we'll just have to get used to just reading his posts b/c those will be the only ones on the front page. But then you probably didn't want people reading the stuff you post anyhow, right?

I don't understand why people don't understand that simple fact.

I like Spam – we used to get spam fritters when I was at school…

deaf and blind

Offensive, and another good example of so called "reasonable debate" in action. Your point is well understood, you simply make far too much of it. And it is no excuse for the bullying these anti Tango threads amount to.

Stifling reminds me too much of bullying on the 5th grade playground for me to take it seriously.

That's the problem calling it 'stifling', when in fact this is no more than just filtering someone's posts or topics from your view, exactly as many other social media allow you to do.

Filtering (or hiding) a poster's posts/topics is not bullying. It causes the poster no harm whatsoever – a criteria required under the definition of bullying.

But the word 'stifling' implies you're actually doing something to the poster, such as muzzling, gagging, or otherwise physically blocking his ability to post to everyone – which indeed causes harm and so would be bullying if it was true.

I don't see the point in having the Stifle Table – or even a Filter or Hiding Table for that matter. Ho, hum!

since Mr Tango has posted a few items from my blog i find his decision making to be very sound. If his posting generates traffic that helps Bill keep the lights on, then all I have to say is to paraphrase the movie "Forrest Gump"

POST Tango, POST!!!!!!!!!

YES!!! The 'Ignore' button has now been implemented, and it works a treat on the front-page on the person I experimented with (not saying who!)!

You simply go to the particular member's Profile, and the 'Ignore' button is near the bottom of the page. It hides any topics started by that member on the front-page. And it doesn't leave grey boxes.

I like, too, how it's called 'Ignore', not 'OverStifle' or anything else antagonistic.

It's good that you can also 'Unignore' someone too. So if you want to ignore some people for a limited period whilst they'e engaged in some argu-fest that annoys you, you can unhide them once its all over.

Well done, Monsieur l'Editeur.

Presumably this is just as good for the ignored person.

He will no longer will have to put up with complaints.

I agree with Arteis above.

Thank you Bill

What do people have against Tango?

"Ignore" doesn't help. The bloody fellow still swamps everything else on the front page.

Wow, never thought we´d be seeing this unfortunate thread brought back from it´s rightful place among the dead.

How can Tango´s posts show up on the front page if you have ignored him? Perhaps you are getting ignore and stifle confused.

Texas Jack: +1

TANGO!!!! TANGO!!!!! are we back to complaining about Tago again?

Armand is the most interesting poster bar none! Stuff I don't like I just ignore. At least he posts things which are sometimes interesting and informative, unlike the most of the rest of the lot who are just nasty little ankle biters.

Tango at least posts something that might have a general interest. If it weren't for tango there'd be precious little to read on here other than the slagging from the favored few (the cool kids table in the cafeteria) on other peoples efforts.

Perhaps you should do as I do, forget the front page. I only go to the topics I like, like 18th Century Imagi-Natons, Wargames in general, Game design and the like. I couldn't care less what's on the Sword and the Flame board or a lot of the others. When I meet Tango there, he's usually got some good stuff.

What this proves is that most gamers have nothing to say but always have lots to complain about.

Thanks for your support my good friend!. (smile)

It is not even worth reading the comment … of course Mr. Sobiesky has no problem in participating in some of my threads anyway…

TMP link

TMP link

At the end… mostly of the Tango Haters ended with the "ZZZ"… (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Ninety five percent of what he posts is of no interest to me but just occasionally he finds something very interesting, so that is why I haven't stifled him.