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Ivan DBA16 May 2014 5:56 a.m. PST

There are FIVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY-ONE members who have stifled Tango01.

This an astounding number, and I cannot believe that many people are all just a bunch of irrational "haters," as Tango's enablers suggest.

If you stifled Tango, then I urge you to step forward, and post on this thread:

TMP link

Tell the Editor why. This is the battle for the soul of The Miniatures Page.

Will this website simply be one user's SPAM blog, or can it be a moderated, civilized DISCUSSSION forum once again?

I have been a member of this website since 2002. I was once a Supporting Member, but no longer, because of how one user has been allowed to monopolize this website.

Tell Bill we have had ENOUGH.




Caesar Inactive Member16 May 2014 6:00 a.m. PST

I love the anti-Tango crowd. They always start new anti-Tango topics that have the sole purpose of directing people to go to other anti-Tango topics.

Then complain about spam…

streetline Inactive Member16 May 2014 6:02 a.m. PST

I urge everyone to ask for a super stifle so it mostly goes away. Somewhere between Tangoes Miniature Page and The Moaning Page is the site we remember so fondly.

VonTed16 May 2014 6:09 a.m. PST

TelesticWarrior Inactive Member16 May 2014 6:10 a.m. PST

I agree Caesar, these spammers are ruining the TMP Talk board with all these disgraceful threads. It's shameful really, except they don't seem to feel any shame.

I urge the FIVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY-ONE (Ivan really likes his capital letters today) to go and get some fresh air. There's a whole world out there beyond this trivial whining.

nazrat16 May 2014 6:12 a.m. PST

"This is the battle for the soul of The Miniatures Page."

Good thing you don't go in for hyperbole at all…

Ivan DBA16 May 2014 6:14 a.m. PST

Sorry, but that's exactly how I feel about it. I'm amazed Bill has even opened a thread about it. You guys want TMP to be a SPAM roll, that's your choice.

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2014 6:15 a.m. PST

Yes I stifled Tango, simply because in private PM exchanges, he has basically said that he has no intention of changing his behavior!

TelesticWarrior Inactive Member16 May 2014 6:17 a.m. PST

I do agree that Bill needs to do something though. Nuke these bullying threads as soon as they start up, and issue an DH warning (for harassment) to all those who plan to start more in the future.

The Dread Pirate GeorgeD Inactive Member16 May 2014 6:21 a.m. PST

You Know I really think it is disgusting How you fellows harass Tango.

Just my two cents worth.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2014 6:25 a.m. PST

"This is the battle for the soul of The Miniatures Page."

You are right. It's between those who want to bully others and want to impose their view of how TMP should run and those who cannot stand bullying.
I know what it is like to be singled out here for "special treatment". So even if I do not totally agree with Armand I despise the jackbooted efforts to make him conform tp YOUR vision of how things ( and people) should operate.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2014 6:33 a.m. PST

I do not tell you how to enjoy your TMP experience.
Don't tell me how to enjoy mine.

Ivan DBA16 May 2014 6:37 a.m. PST

I'm not telling you how to enjoy TMP John. I'm asking the Editor to restrain one member, who has decided this website exists solely for his own gratification.

Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut16 May 2014 6:40 a.m. PST

Ivan, I disagree with you.

I think the OFM put it best.

VonTed16 May 2014 6:40 a.m. PST

Oh I don't know…. his posts gratify me as well. I generally like his posts.

Can we get a ruling on people that:
1) Post nothing but a link
2) Post nothing my words saying… click on my link
3) Reports that company XYZ has "excellent" service
4) Posts that are "Hey I ordered product X!"
5) Posts for information that can be found via google
6) Posts for information that can be found via "search" on TMP
7) Posts selling used cars.

Only Warlock16 May 2014 6:42 a.m. PST

What a bunch of drama queens.

Ivan DBA16 May 2014 6:47 a.m. PST

And by the way, I think got Dawghoused once for posting, "I agree with the OFM," back when Bill made that an offense for some reason. I'm not trying to be a bully.

But there is a problem here, and Tango has made it abundantly clear he doesn't give a damn about the impact he has on others, or about following the rules. Right now there is yet another thread, opened by Tango, that simply reposts a current News Item. Bill has nuked such threads repeatedly, but Tango keeps on doing it.

WarWizard16 May 2014 6:47 a.m. PST

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a stifle exactly? Is there a definition on this site somewhere? With all this discussion regarding stifles I would like to understand what they are. Thanks.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2014 6:49 a.m. PST
Rebelyell2006 Inactive Member16 May 2014 6:51 a.m. PST

I agree with the TangoFM.

Ron W DuBray Inactive Member16 May 2014 6:53 a.m. PST

Nope, He has found and posted about things I don't have time to look for. I have even gone to the other sites and ordered things he has posted about. yes he posts a lot but I don't open the ones that don't seem to interest me.

VonTed16 May 2014 6:53 a.m. PST

LOL on the TMP FAQ…. OFM is the example :-)

VonTed16 May 2014 6:57 a.m. PST

Odd…. Tango is not even the top 10 posters.
(perhaps we need a date restricted data pull)

Raynman16 May 2014 6:59 a.m. PST

I'm with the OFM. Tango has showed me things I normally would never have seen. If I'm not interested, I don't open the subject. If you're not interested, don't open it. BUT, do not block me from opening something just because you don't like it. I'll censor myself in what I want to read or not read. My two cents. I'm getting extremely tired of some people thinking they know better what I should be allowed to read.

nazrat16 May 2014 6:59 a.m. PST

"But there is a problem here, and Tango has made it abundantly clear he doesn't give a damn about the impact he has on others, or about following the rules. "

Um, I generally don't weigh in on this whole issue because it doesn't bother me although I do understand why some might be bothered by Tango, but apart from a couple of copyright infractions Tango IS following the rules and Bill has said so numerous times. Also, I don't think Bill has "nuked such threads repeatedly". Just sayin'… complain if you like but let's not misrepresent the facts.


Slapper of Kittens Inactive Member16 May 2014 7:02 a.m. PST


You do understand that absolutely NOTHING will come of that thread, right?


Because the editor doesn't actually give a rat's hind-end. It doesn't matter which side you're on, it's simply feigned interest to make it seem as though a solution is being sought.

Here's the kicker, too. Tango? He isn't even relative to the conversation anymore. These stupid threads about him generate hundreds of replies while those that actually have an ounce to do with wargaming get a handful at best.

This certainly isn't Tango's page, his posts don't generate any more interst than anyone elses.

But it certainly isn't about miniatures anymore, either.

Ivan DBA16 May 2014 7:02 a.m. PST


I'm not misrepresenting anything, and I HAVE complained about such threads, which is why I KNOW Bill has nuked them in the past, on multiple occasions.

Here's one that I still have Bill's PM from:

Re: Complaint

from Personal logo The Editor The Editor of TMP Fezian

Thanks! I'll remove the topic, as it is a duplicate.

Here's another one, but you can't tell from the text what my complaint was about:

Re: Complaint

from Personal logo The Editor The Editor of TMP Fezian

Thanks! Taken care of.

VonTed16 May 2014 7:02 a.m. PST

Off to Huzzah. Please lets get this thread up to 100 posts by the time I return.

kallman16 May 2014 7:05 a.m. PST

Seriously Ivan, is this the best use of your time? I just ignore Tango's many posts and move on to things I am interested, however, he sometimes posts thing I do find interesting and I have learned something just as Raynman stated. He is overall not in violation of most of the TMP protocols. This is a tempest in a teapot if even that.

Ivan DBA16 May 2014 7:10 a.m. PST

No, it's not the best use of my time, and I'm sure that "Slapper of Kittens" is right that nothing is going to change.

But believe it or not, a lot of us are really tired of Tango's abuse of the forums. And not because we "hate" Tango, it's because we are fed up with his behavior.

I can see how for those of you who like just scrolling through a SPAM roll, or who never view the front page, it looks like irrational bullying. But there is a legitimate beef here, if you guys would open your eyes to see it.

Mallen Inactive Member16 May 2014 7:11 a.m. PST

If I am not interested in a post, by Tango or anyone else, I simply don't click on it. Fairly simple, no?

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2014 7:11 a.m. PST

Yes I stifled Tango, simply because in private PM exchanges, he has basically said that he has no intention of changing his behavior!

Well, there's your problem, right there.

Six months ago, I was looking around, thinking:

"Man, what's with all this anti-Tango vehemence? He's got a TON of stifles! What's up with all these people?"

But now I know. He wore me down. I stifled him. The simple fact that he doesn't seem to CARE that so many people are peeved at his spam regurgitation leads me to think he is either disturbed, or some sort of Andy Kaufman web-troll. Yes, a lot of TMP'ers have thrown around a lot of passive-aggressive comments. But they are up against someone who is apparently a stranger to moderation, and does not respect the community.

parrskool16 May 2014 7:12 a.m. PST

I can see all points of view but there are times when I want to see the genuine HOBBY comments and I do find myself having to trail through lots of Tango material to reach it. Everything in moderation, and sometimes Mr T does overdo things.

Doug MSC Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2014 7:15 a.m. PST

I think all of us that are sane, should stifle all those who oppose Tango! Just kidding of course but I wonder how they would feel if some people didn't want to hear what they have to say? Oh, oh, I feel some stifles coming my way.

Rebelyell2006 Inactive Member16 May 2014 7:16 a.m. PST

I can see how for those of you who like just scrolling through a SPAM roll

Do you lack self-awareness? Don't you realize you are spamming the TMP Talk board with the Tango threads?

Some Chicken Inactive Member16 May 2014 7:16 a.m. PST

But there is a problem here, and Tango has made it abundantly clear he doesn't give a damn about the impact he has on others, or about following the rules.

Only there isn't a problem, unless it is in the minds of those who are either a) determined to be offended simply because Tango continues to post or b) determined to be offended because the editor hasn't bowed to their wishes.

In truth I look at very few of Tango's postings but having them on the front page doesn't inconvenience me at all. Why should it? "The soul of TMP"? Really? So what if "needs more boobies" or "utter drivel" items are pushed off the front page? It takes no real effort to check the boards I am most interested in, so let's get a sense of proportion here.

For what it's worth, I'm neither "pro-Tango" nor "anti-Tango", but I don't like witch-hunts and he has a right to post what he wants until the editor decides otherwise.

Ivan DBA16 May 2014 7:17 a.m. PST


I have no doubt the vast majority of my stifles are from people who people who support Tango, and take offense that I have dared to criticize him. So be it.

PiersBrand16 May 2014 7:19 a.m. PST

I dont comment on these 'Tango' threads as, well it all looks a bit silly from the outside. Endless arguements over a person posting on a forum… please.

You all need to take a deep breath and calm down.

BUT actions like this thread, which to someone who doesnt care a jot about the issue, comes across as rather distatseful online bullying. Trying to make it sound like a crusade for your soul leaves me utterly speechless that someone feels like that about a forum in a niche hobby.

Actions like this, to me who has no care one one or the other for these silly Tango theads do more to harm TMP than anything one individual does.

Its ruins the whole atmosphere and ambiance of the forum and certainly this topic makes me wonder why anyone would want to participate here, or in our hobby, if this is the sort of behaviour that goes on.

I shudder to think what a passing person new to the hobby would think of all this.

Frankly im amazed grown men behave like this over an internet forum.

Personal logo Miniatureships Sponsoring Member of TMP16 May 2014 7:21 a.m. PST

We keep forgetting that this is public forum which is open to the public to post. Since it is public, there are going to be people who post on here things that we don't like or feel need not be posted.

This is no difference that what happens in the retail stores. They are business that are open to the public, yet you would not believe how people feel that have the right to decide how the business is run. This is a public business, I am the public, therefore I am your boss. No, this is a private business that is open to the public, and you are free to come and go, the same as all the others who enter the doors.

Tango is a person that post a lot of stuff in one shot. Some it I look at, some of it don't, and basically this is the way I treat all posting on TMP. Normally, I don't even look to see who posted the topic, it is the subject line that interest me.

But part of the issue is I believe is the number of boards that TMP has for people to post on. Is it not something like 250 plus? Besides Tango, how many others posted topics on here have very little response or no response at all? Some may blame that on Tangos posting, but it might be with so many boards topics get lost very fast.

James Wright Inactive Member16 May 2014 7:22 a.m. PST

I have to admit, he is starting to wear me down too. Not because he doesn't post things I find interesting (I have found some great reads because of him) but of late I have noticed MANY times, that he just reposts information that is literally at the top of the page, and was there prior to his post, and that is a bit irritating.

I have not stifled him yet, but my question is this (haven't stifled anyone yet) when you stifle someone, does their whole thread and everything they post vanish, or do you still have a wall of posts, but just cannot read them?

Oh Bugger Inactive Member16 May 2014 7:30 a.m. PST

The latter.

Ivan DBA16 May 2014 7:32 a.m. PST


That's the problem: even if you stifle someone, their threads will still appear on the Front Page.

Now excuse me while I go lace up my jackboots.

Personal logo Dervel Supporting Member of TMP Fezian16 May 2014 7:34 a.m. PST

James, I think that is the main issue….. We discussed this previously. Stifling somebody does not stifle the start of their threads.

So the major complaint of rapidly cycling the front page and not wanting to see what somebody posts would be solved by that change in the "Stifle" system I think…

Oops this one is going fast…

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2014 7:35 a.m. PST

Stifling doesn't go on somebody's "permanent record", JW. You can stifle and unstifle them over and over.

Just stifle somebody, view its effects, then toggle it off.

James Wright Inactive Member16 May 2014 7:35 a.m. PST

I gotya. With the next version of TMP will that be changed, or is this an unknown? Sorry, late to the party regarding the new version, I looked for info, but came up short.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian16 May 2014 7:43 a.m. PST

I think got Dawghoused once for posting, "I agree with the OFM," back when Bill made that an offense for some reason.

Actually, it was voted into effect by the TMP community (for a limited time).

MajorB16 May 2014 7:44 a.m. PST

It takes no real effort to check the boards I am most interested in, so let's get a sense of proportion here.

It might not take any real effort to check a few boards, but some people I am sure want to monitor the content of a large number of boards (after all, there are over 200 on TMP!).

streetline Inactive Member16 May 2014 7:44 a.m. PST

Now the first post on here has had an aggresive edit since I last popped by….

Tachikoma16 May 2014 7:44 a.m. PST

Now excuse me while I go lace up my jackboots.

Jackboots have laces?

corona66 Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2014 7:48 a.m. PST

I like Dervel's solution of removing the start of a stiflee's threads.

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