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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2013 9:04 a.m. PST

When I search for "foam core dropships", I keep seeing pics of this elusive craft, and hints that there were plans available for download. But when I click on most links, they seem to be dead ends.

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So …

Does anyone know where those plans may be found today?

And could it work for 15mm?

Thanks,

Dan
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WJAL2109 Sep 2013 9:14 a.m. PST

Try this link.

mil-net.net/hercules.cfm

Hopefully have pasted it correctly

WJAL2109 Sep 2013 9:16 a.m. PST

Yes would be a large 15mm drop ship. Might want to re-arrange the doors.
Would be great if one of the companies that do laser cut MDF could get permission to make it. Might need a little reworking, but the basics are sound.

Rapier Miniatures Inactive Member09 Sep 2013 9:17 a.m. PST

The pdf link here worked for me.

mil-net.net/hercules.cfm

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2013 9:17 a.m. PST

Awesome!

And yes. I agree with you "would be great if one of the companies that do laser cut MDF could get permission to make it".

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Thanks so much.

Dan

darthfozzywig Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member09 Sep 2013 9:22 a.m. PST

Looks super-cool. The bays would be a bit tall for most 15mm infantry and vehicles, but not terribly so.

Would look cool to have some hovertanks <s>rolling</s> sliding down the ramps.

CorSecEng Inactive Member09 Sep 2013 5:42 p.m. PST

I do want to laser cut a dropship kit but I just don't have the time right now. I could convert the PDF without too much trouble but tracking down the owner and negotiating would be more trouble then designing my own.

Plus I can do better with styrene.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2013 5:46 p.m. PST

"Plus I can do better with styrene."

You mean as a styrene kit for production?

Dan
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CorSecEng Inactive Member09 Sep 2013 6:01 p.m. PST

No I'd do my signature styrene and mdf combo. I could do a rounded front nose for instance.

Krazy Ivan Inactive Member09 Sep 2013 6:27 p.m. PST

This thing would certainly work in 15mm.

The plans are freely available. Vectors and AUTOCad files for the Hercules plans are already available on the net. Guys like CorSecEng may not be able to just sell the kits without a licensing agreement, but there is nothing stopping you from taking those files and commissioning one from a shop with a laser cutter. You are just paying for laser time and materials.

Lion in the Stars09 Sep 2013 7:07 p.m. PST

Corsec, if you make a styrene/MDF beast like that, well, I'll buy at least two, even at ~$70.

CorSecEng Inactive Member09 Sep 2013 7:22 p.m. PST

What is a good size? Enough bays to drop 6 Merka 5 sized tanks? I'm assuming you all are looking for something that could drop a platoon of troops and support.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2013 7:37 p.m. PST

I would love something that could have the top half lift. That way I can fill in the interior details.

Size? Not longer than 14-16 inches, if possible:

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That's just me though.

Dan

Lfseeney09 Sep 2013 7:51 p.m. PST

So the bays really help determine the size needed.
What is the size of a large tank?
3x4inches?
Could also make the bays with moving dividers, so larger things could still fit without having to make it all huge bays.
Would also look at making the cockpit changeable so it works as a huge 6mm Lander, heavy 10-15mm, and a troop for 32mm.

Lee

Lfseeney09 Sep 2013 7:55 p.m. PST

As for height, add a flat to house drones and maybe other flyers?

Or perhaps dual ramps, tanks on bottom infantry on top.
Rapid deploy?

John Bear Ross Inactive Member09 Sep 2013 8:22 p.m. PST

Neil Nowatzki is the designer of the Hercules. I can get a hold of him if you wish.

Best,
JBR

War Monkey09 Sep 2013 9:58 p.m. PST

Downloaded it all sometime ago just haven't had the time to do anything with it, even printed off a couple of sets of templates and got the foamboard as well and yet there it all sits.

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member09 Sep 2013 10:43 p.m. PST

I like the overall design.

I was thinking of making the sides solid, and having either a rear, or forward ramp (not sure about the clearance underneath the fuselage for the forward door), for deploying vehicles from it.

Gaz004510 Sep 2013 2:50 a.m. PST

Interested for use as a very large cargo transport for space battle games……approx1/300 or 1/600 but all that detailing could be done as an add on with hatches etc from other sources…… Following this closely!

TheBeast Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2013 6:17 a.m. PST

Okay, Santa, I want the option for shortened bays just large enough for tanks (I can do without the chin gun), and I'll hinge and magnetize the doors, and please option reinforcement for the winglets, and please put a place for a carrying handle, because walking into the game room carrying this full of troops would be TOO KEWL!

*ahem* Will be watching as well.

Doug

SpleenRippa Inactive Member10 Sep 2013 1:12 p.m. PST

Heck, if someone were to laser cut the Herc, I'd be in for 1-2 guaranteed, possibly 3. Fingers crossed for panel lines laser etched into the various pieces :)

MrAverage Inactive Member10 Sep 2013 3:50 p.m. PST

I'm considering this at reduced scale, cut from 1 or 2 mm styrene, for 6mm scale. That'd require some modification to the templates no doubt, but would let you smooth out surfaces with a little sanding. Basswood might be interesting too, but cutting would be a bigger challenge sans a jigsaw.

Hm.

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Lfseeney10 Sep 2013 7:05 p.m. PST

OK all,
As I am not in a biz, I will try to cut one of these out with the Laser.

Hopefully this weekend, still lots to get done after the flood and rebuild in the hobby room.

What mats do you think would be best?
MDF, Foam Core, or plastic.

2-3mm thick sound good for the 15mm one?

The details I will try to do in 0.50mm plastic but those will take a bit of clean up.
But the details really make the model I think.

Figure one as is first then we can figure out changes.

After a year found a place to get 1/8 MDF here in ABQ.
I have 3 49x97" sheets on the way. About a week I hope.

Would like to do the details in Laser Board, but the only decent supplier for cost I can find requires a min order of 300USD, plus shipping.

For my laser that is about 900 sheets, so about a .40 per 9x14 sheet a good deal if I had a use for that much :)

Lfseeney10 Sep 2013 7:28 p.m. PST

For the thickness on the laser board more like 1130 sheets.
Wow that is a lot of boards.

.4 mm thick

ski2060 Inactive Member11 Sep 2013 11:38 a.m. PST

I wouldn't mind seeing one of these in both a 15mm configuration similar to the current plans, and a 28mm version of a dropship/small cutter.

Keep the size the same, but have different exterior details for the cockpit and maybe a different cargo configuration. Instead of drop side doors, have flat sides with a dropping front or rear hatch for troops.

I'd be down for one of those.

ordinarybass11 Sep 2013 12:13 p.m. PST

Lfseeneey,
I'll be looking forward to seeing your progress. It seem seems like there are a number of ways this project could be done.

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member11 Sep 2013 2:36 p.m. PST

I'd use foam core, and thicker blue board, or pink foam, depending upon availability, for the larger, thicker sections, so the model is lightweight.

That way, it can be mounted on a flight stand too.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2013 8:35 p.m. PST

Heck, I'll even take a Chickenhawk or a Sandfly class transport, like the Bellflower:

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Dan

John Bear Ross Inactive Member12 Sep 2013 8:56 p.m. PST

ATTN: Commercial and private Hercules producers.

I heard from Neil Nowatzki, the designer. Here's a quote from his email…

"Anyone that wants to produce a kit from my plans is free to do so, even for commercial purposes. Go forth, be fruitful, and produce, I say. Feel free to pass that on if you get a chance.

Thanks,
Neil"

So, there you go. It's open source, per the designer.

However, a man's time is worth something, and I've always regarded Neil as a design genius.

So (hint hint), IF you do produce a commercial version of the Herc, feel free to kick a little bit back to Neil, if only as an expression of gratitude. And give him a design credit. Think of it as an exercise in karma.

Anyone needing Neil's contact info can email me.

Best,
JBR

Lsutehall Inactive Member13 Sep 2013 11:31 a.m. PST

I've actually built one of these from foamcore – it's a real beast size-wise.

Each bay is easily big enough to hold a gw space marine or 2. The whole troop bay is detachable too, so it would be no problem to make something interchangeable that would carry 15mm tanks.

It's stowed away in my parents loft at the moment, otherwise I'd post size comparison pics.

Lfseeney14 Sep 2013 8:30 a.m. PST

OK working on a "quick version"

That is one not perfect, as I am doing traces over the templates.

So not everything will line up like a designed from scratch for laser.

But hopefully will make a decent model.

2 of 10 pages down so far.

Lee

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2013 1:55 p.m. PST

Excellent! How big are you planning to build it?

Dan

War Monkey14 Sep 2013 6:08 p.m. PST

Just a thought,

If you made the detachable bay section a little taller, make the inner bay walls shorter to add an upper floor level, could it then be used as a mobile maintenance section, command center or even an temporary outpost,

With walls added to the upper floor then it could be what ever you wanted

Lfseeney14 Sep 2013 6:23 p.m. PST

Actually Dan I was thinking of sending it to you to build if you would like.

Just got the Laser back into where it belongs today, and the materials should be in next week, I hope.

as for size the bays look to be about 2" wide, so I think it will work for 15mm alright.

Adding an upper section for drones or flyers should be doable.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP14 Sep 2013 10:35 p.m. PST

Awesome!

I've just received 60 of these stanchions for use with spaceship corridors/hallways:

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These were tempting too:

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What do you think?

Dan

Lfseeney16 Sep 2013 4:34 p.m. PST

Rough Day only 1 page done today.

Hate being in a body that is broken.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2013 6:59 p.m. PST

"Hate being in a body that is broken."

Me too!

Dan

Lfseeney24 Sep 2013 8:01 p.m. PST

Ok
Got the plans all converted and squared up a bit as well.

Starting on the Panels now, to get the effect some will be 3-4 Sheets deep, will use some polystyrene and laser board to keep thin.

Been told MDF should be in this week.
Will do the main body out of it.

I'll send the Ship out as soon as it is cut, then the Panels when I have them done, or when your ready will send what I have.

Lsutehall Inactive Member25 Sep 2013 5:33 a.m. PST

I had a dig around on my HDD and found some WIP shots of my Hercules build, so I thought I'd share. I took these 10 years ago, with a camera that was rubbish at the time, so please excuse the poor quality!




The rest of the gallery is here: link

As you can see, its a big beast. Should be just right for a 15mm dropship or light spacecraft. The modular nature of the "pod" means we could potentially design several variants of ship by just swapping pod out.

Lfseeney, would you consider offering the panels seperately? The paper "decals" are falling off my herc, and it would be nice to re-do it with more depth.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP25 Sep 2013 6:36 p.m. PST

So, what do the dimensions of the Hercules end up being, when made as the original files have it?

Length, width, height?

Thanks,

Dan

Lfseeney25 Sep 2013 6:51 p.m. PST

Looks like the bays are about 2 1/2 Inches on my sheets each.

So my guess is 20-22 inches long.

Being all spread out makes it a little hard to see, and there is no Spine part that seems to go the whole length.

MDF should arrive on Thursday, if Lucky can start cutting this weekend.

Panels are slow going, but making progress.

Lfseeney25 Sep 2013 6:53 p.m. PST

Bays 2 1/2 " wide

Maybe 3" tall

So the whole thing say 22 " Long 7-8 tall width around 10" I think

All guesses of course.

Lfseeney29 Sep 2013 6:43 p.m. PST

Dan,

Got the MDF in, have 8 of the 10 pages cut.

Will send the stack to you, and keep working on the Decals.

Only have 2 pages done so far of them.

So you may want to print those out on card stock, I'll send the few I have.

All parts labeled as the Templates, a couple of extras marked as such.

Hope you like it.

Psyckosama Inactive Member06 Oct 2013 7:36 a.m. PST

I built one of these for 15mm myself. Just about perfect as a Dropship, fast cargo shuttle, Courier, Scout, Patrol Ship, or even a Heavy Bomber.

Psyckosama Inactive Member06 Oct 2013 7:00 p.m. PST

So, CorSecEng, now that the creator's basically open sourced the design, any chance?

Mako11 Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member26 Nov 2013 3:47 p.m. PST

Any progress on this, or similar projects, lately?

Personal logo MrHarold Sponsoring Member of TMP26 Nov 2013 5:55 p.m. PST

I'd love to get one too…

Lfseeney26 Nov 2013 10:14 p.m. PST

Have sent a box to Dan.

Pretty sure the stuff I sent will need some TLC, as it was converted from the hand drawings.

Know he has been busy as well.

If it lookers to have promise can look at fixing issues, adding some tabs to make it faster and easier to put together.

The templates are slow work, many details, and most need to be 3 layers to really look proper.

Once we hear back how the proto went can look at fixing it,
But know it will be, from me, like a pre built house, plenty of work left to be done.

If your ok with that PM me I will try to keep you up to date on it.

Psyckosama Inactive Member27 Nov 2013 5:51 a.m. PST

Dan, you're going to have to keep us up to date!

War Monkey27 Nov 2013 10:16 p.m. PST

Just throwing this idea out there, has anyone every thought to double the size of the templates and make a ship twice it's original size :D

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