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CooperSteveOnTheLaptop30 Mar 2011 1:40 p.m. PST

I'm pondering converting Copplestone's side-saddle 'Godiva' into an imagi-nation female military noblewoman.

Any suggestions for links to early C18th female riding attire with enough of a military air?

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Mar 2011 2:46 p.m. PST

Buy the Suren/Willie female riding side saddle wearing a riding coat and tricorn. That will save you some work. There is also a version in hussar dress.

Tachikoma30 Mar 2011 2:49 p.m. PST

Hinterland Miniatures has Princess Viktoria, mounted. She's even riding sidesaddle.

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She's wearing a late 19th century hussar unifrom, but it might fit your needs.

Personal logo Cardinal Hawkwood Supporting Member of TMP30 Mar 2011 7:26 p.m. PST

just wait for Jean-louis to log on…

abdul666lw31 Mar 2011 12:05 a.m. PST

Nothing significant to add, unfortunately.
Late 17th C. to late 18th C. ladies' riding habits (mainly worn to follow hunts: ladies traveled in carriages) indeed took inspiration from military uniforms:
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so any 'historically accurate' miniature would do.
But as Der Alte Fritz wrote, the choice is currently restricted to the Tradition Suren/Willie one(s) [of Lady Pettygree and Milady de Winter fame, for the regulars of his and Bill Protz' blogs], and the sculpting shows its age…

The 'hussar' one (with mirliton) appears in the 'Bonaparte in Egypt' range.
Numerous details 'tag' the Hinterland Prinzessin Viktoria "late 19th C.", from the busby to the pistol holster, that are not easy to correct. Furthermore, a busby or mirliton are specific of a 'honorary colonel' of hussars or pandours, and for a head suitable for headswapping we are back to the 'Willie' range.

OSW in the 'Highwaymen' range does have a woman riding sidesaddle
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but neither the hat nor the costume fit the bill. Maybe if you use the torso+ head / bust of a suitably dressed 'lady pirate'?
(Btw, to offer a character on foot and mounted, as was in the past almost the rule for 'dungeon adventurers', is indeed precious for 'adventure' games, but too rare outside Fantasy: manufacturers please note!)

Minden may produce SYW-era ladies in some future, and if some of them are part of a 'hunt' series they would answaer your need.
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(btw, a comment of mine to this post got lost in the Warp or ended in Frank's spam trash can). My only concern is that the Minden are on the 'large' size (1/57), and don't fit with some widespread 18TH C. ranges; specially true for women, who are generally more 'petite' than men.

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop31 Mar 2011 2:05 a.m. PST

No need to buy one, I'll convery or sculpt from scratch…

Thanks for the links

abdul666lw31 Mar 2011 2:39 a.m. PST

Looking eagerly forward to discover and enjoy the result!

And to learn more about the Principality of Ausfahrt…
Is this Female General to represent your daughter?

abdul666lw31 Mar 2011 5:09 a.m. PST

Eureka should really reactivate (or at least make generally accessible and available) and *expand* as promised their 'Sandra' range link
And / or Shadowforge would enter the competition: they specialize in female minis, and some or them -not all, but at least the 'Dark Temple range'- are cute indeed. The (rather unexpected, I suspect) success of the Hinterland Viktorias show there is a niche for 18th C. military women: if the late 19th C. is 'rich' of VSF and Ruritania, the Lace Wars are the period par excellence of Imagi-Nations; many of their creators would like to add a female regiment link and / or a Pandour Maisen Guard link (Viktorias are impossible to convert convincingly) to their OOB.
If teddy bears in tricorne are commercially viable, female soldiers in tricorne would be even more so.

Of course, there is still Eureka100 (and possibly WG Factory, if the new owner keeps the 'League'), but it takes years…

Btw, am I the only one to think that the new Black Hat Cobalt-1 mini TMP link could make a 17th- 18th C. Lady Pirate of 'female hero'?

Musketier31 Mar 2011 8:34 a.m. PST

Sorry to rain on Viktoria's parade, but I could hardly believe that she was sculpted drawing her sabre -inside- her bridle arm! Apart from being against regulations, that's simply asking to cut your own reins… Frankly, HRH deserved better. I shall wait for Minden…

sywplayer31 Mar 2011 8:48 a.m. PST

Jean-louis

Eureka USA had the Sandra line of figures for sale at the SYW convention this last weekend. So I beleive you can get them if you ask.

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop31 Mar 2011 8:58 a.m. PST

Abdul – Yes, I guess she's going to be from Ausfahrt. I'm working on the Narwhal Regiment (Dark green coats, purple cuffs, red or reddy-brown or brown trews)

But I like the idea of sculpting a female general, I reckon there'd be a demand from Imagi-players

abdul666lw31 Mar 2011 12:02 p.m. PST

Then, if I may, 2 remarks:
- to offer the same character mounted and on foot would be most welcome for RPG / skirmish games;
- if you go 1/57 ('true' 30mm), you are on the 'large / huge' end of the mainstream range of scales. Then, a man side by side with a woman taller than him looks ridiculous (see our dear President Sarkozy and his wife, the fact that *he* is the one on high heels notwithstanding). Thus I suggest -for 'wider compatibility' sake.- you model your feminine mini on Courtney Kupets (5' 1/2") or *at most* on Pamela Anderson, Sarah Michelle Gellar or Avril Lavigne (all ≤ 1.60 m) rather than on Sigourney Weaver (1.82 m) or Adriana Karambeu (1.85 m)!

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop31 Mar 2011 1:47 p.m. PST

Yeah was going to make her rather petite.

I like the idea of a Queen Anne-era pretty young queen/princess (while still looking like she's competent) & a version who looks more of a battle-axe. A male general who looks like the OFM would be kewl too.

Personal logo Cardinal Hawkwood Supporting Member of TMP01 Apr 2011 6:21 p.m. PST

there is one , the OFM I mean
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CooperSteveOnTheLaptop15 Apr 2011 8:45 a.m. PST

Got the Copplestone Godiva. The horse is nice. Just pondering whether to convert the nude side-saddle rider or sculpt from scratch, copying the pose to a large degree

abdul666lw16 Apr 2011 5:55 a.m. PST

Looking eagerly forward to discover her!

Where is your blog? By far the most convenient and reader-friendly medium to publish your Imagi-Nation.

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop17 Apr 2011 2:26 p.m. PST

Need to paint a full regiment first I reckon!

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop01 Jun 2011 2:47 p.m. PST

Godiva is being slowly worked on.I've done the slippers/boots & am building the hat. WGF plastic tricorns are a little 2 small, a Front Rank one is conversely a little too big, so I guess i need to scratchbuild one that is Just Right.

abdul666lw02 Jun 2011 5:08 a.m. PST

Indeed a tricorn 'tags' a figurine "18th C." link

Looking eagerly forward to discover her -and the Narwhal Regiment, and the whole Ausfahrter army indeed!.

abdul666lw03 Jun 2011 12:56 p.m. PST

Slightly of-topic, but if one wants to raise a 18th C; 'Maiden Guard' (beside the Eureka 'Sandra'), an interesting conversion here (scroll down a little): link
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ECW, but could equally be done with the new WSS infantry, I guess?

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop15 Jun 2011 1:14 p.m. PST

Cute. Who makes the dancing girl?

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop16 Jun 2011 4:05 a.m. PST

nearly completed the clothing of the upper body. then i'll fasten her to the horse and then drape on the skirts, as it'll be easier to judge once she's actually in the saddle.

abdul666lw16 Jun 2011 5:24 a.m. PST

Looking forward for the pics!
Ausfahrt deserves a blog…

abdul666lw20 Jun 2011 4:22 a.m. PST

By combining TMP link with link 'kitbashing' her Maiden Guard mounted escort will -hopefully soon- be possible.

CooperSteveOnTheLaptop20 Jun 2011 6:51 a.m. PST

WGF plastic cavalry are beautiful!

abdul666lw22 Jun 2011 5:20 a.m. PST

Who makes the dancing girl?

The author of the conversion link kindly gave the answer:
Reaper 65002
link seemingly a re-sculpt of 'Jade, Dancing Girl' 02749

spontoon22 Jun 2011 5:41 a.m. PST

There's a nice package of Female settlers with muskets from RAFM, in their Flint and Feather range!

abdul666lw29 Jun 2011 12:59 p.m. PST

Seemingly your Princess / General will be soon able to recruit a lady in waiting / orderly: link (if you are receptive to the 'special charm' of 'Old School' minis, sculpted according to the standards of some half a century ago).

Come In Nighthawk01 Dec 2012 7:14 p.m. PST

What is it with figure creep. These'd be nice figures if they were 28mm.

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huh? Twenty years ago I'd 'a said if they were 25mm. Sigh.

abdul666lw02 Dec 2012 4:50 a.m. PST

The Minden riding lady with tricorne would probably fit:
TMP link painted in 'uniform' with gold lace added. In the old days I used clear nail varnish with metallic glitter dust / flakes (sold for the XMas New Year period) to 'highlight' metallic embroideries: to my uneducated tastes the result looked quite good when the minis were seen on the table.

Porkmann03 Dec 2012 10:08 a.m. PST

Outpost have a wicked lady in their highwayman range. May be of use. However I would go for a soldierly look.

abdul666lw03 Dec 2012 1:44 p.m. PST

The Minden in tricorne is in 'riding habit', which traditionally looked 'quasi-military'.

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Two riding women in the Highwaymen range but none fits immediately your description: the Wicked Lady looks like Zorro, hat included; riding astride she has an 'active / energetic' appearance but would at the very least receive a tricorne; the other woman is a 'potential victim' wearing a kind of mobcap…

spontoon04 Dec 2012 6:18 p.m. PST

I('d defintiely go with the Minden figure!

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