"Imagi-Nations in the Real World?" Topic

I am curious as to how many Imagi-nations interact with their real world historical counterparts.

I have carved out some fictional lands for Modern and Colonial games that interact quite frequently with historical forces. The imaginary setting gives me a greater freedom for "what if" and fielding some unusual OOBs without feeling constrained by history.

In Moderns I am gaming a break away republic on the Black Sea, near Georgia and Chechnya. In Colonials I have a fictional region of the Eastern Sudan.

I am in the planning stages of a campaign between Russian and Ottoman forces in the early 18th Century again set in a fictional country in the Black Sea and Caucasus region.

I plan some interaction with historical events, but would also like to include interaction with other Imagi-Nations.

How does the Duchy of Saxe-Beirstein for instance feel about serving as a diplomatic go between for Russia and the Khalif of Oobleckistan?

In the Emperor vs Elector ( emperor-elector.blogspot.com ) world of 18th Century Europe, we have a large amalgamation of imagi-nations that do act (and react) with the large "real-world" states.

In our war games group's Victorian Colonial gaming, we have an imaginary area known as Aooghastan that includes Sudanese types along the Green Nile, the Yazooloo (an off-shoot of the Zulu nation), and the North Central Frontier. We use our "real world" Imperial forces against the natives of these imaginary areas (which use "real world" troop types and "uniforms"). link

Jim

My imagi-nation dovetails right into the European scene in 1743. I created the "Bishopric of St. Vignobles" as a small enclave on the Rhine within the French diplomatic orbit during the War of the Austrian Succession.

The Prince Ecclesiastical of St. Vignobles, the Marquis de Sangfroid, does service as a general with the French Armee de l'Oise, a fictional force built around a core of French regiments which escaped the drubbing of Dettingen, and to which the principality provides a contingent of both infantry and cavalry.

marquissangfroid.blogspot.com

Besides battles against the "big leagues", I also envision a rival state coveting the fine vineyards of the principality, with help from Dutch and Austrian or Bavarian allies/ auxiliaries.

"Descendants" of the ruling family of St. Vignobles, the Buillon-Cantinats, also serve in my Napoleonic and WW1 French armies.

I choose history to be my muse, not my tyrant, so I can live with the artistic license!

My imagi-nation of Ober Nord Westfalen interracts with history all the time. In fact, it got its birth as a source of a-historical, beutral troops, that could be slotted into an otherwise 'historical' battle. At the moment the Margraf and his army are about to join forces with the Englischer Herzog von Marlbruk.

The army and state alreay exist for the Napoleonic era, and a WAS/SYW embryo is on the painting table. Plus, if it ever gells, there is to be a further war (c1830) involving a Prussian-led German coalition versus a Franco/British/Belgian alliance!

The Electorate of Vulgaria (as I have discovered another Vulgaria out there I'll be changing the name to Hulgaria) although not active of late sits somewhere between Russia (The Ruz), the Ottomans (The Pedishtool Empire), Prussia (The Pruz) and on this world it would be in the area of the Carpathians. A year or so ago a battle with photos was fought between my imagi-nation with assistance from the Ruz against the Pedishtoolers in the major mountain pass between the countries. I really need to post this at some point.

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Cavenderia is the Dalmatian coast of Croatia and is a Prinzipality of the Austirian Empire. We have not participated in any of the historical battles yet as we are having to deal with some pesky pirates, Deylicate of Bizerrca, Venecians secretly wishing to reclaim their lost lands and a clandestine war with the Greeks, (Morea). That being said we have sent diplomats to many imagi-nations and are gearing up to send a contingent to fight with the French verses the Anglo-Allied army of Ferdinand.

I try to be fairly unspecific about the geography.

My interwar games see British and Indian forces (historical) taking on native and regular forces from Dagastan and both sides tangling with bolshevik forces from Transcortina. The parallels with historical foes are clear, but this allows some flexibility with scenarios.

This all sounds perfect. About as specific as I want to get with the geography is to say "Somewhere in the Caucasus region, on or near the shores of the Black or Caspian Seas".

This allows for lots of interaction with a variety of historical conflicts, as well as fictional ones and has the advantage of setting things in an area that a lot of people are only vaguely aware of or familiar with.

@ Dave Crowell: Emperor vs Elector and the 65+ 'rulers' members of this 'League of Lace Wars Imagi-Nations' would enjoy not only to watch, but -if invited to- play a part in the diplomatic exchanges between the Khalif of Oobleckistan,the Sultan and the Empress of Russia!
Keep us informed!

@ ColCampbell: what about, as an experiment, a (18th C.) Carpanian in link Aooghastan? Local costume and weaponry did not change that much between your two eras of interest… Could develop into a full competition between Carpania and Courland link

@ DRDHauser: this change of name could be an opportunity to tell us again about Hulgaria: I'm sure that as allies of the Empress of Russia the black-clad Hulgarians already fought several battles.

Conside your selves invited. I have joined EvE.

Cheers,
--dave

Huzzah!!

Bongolesia….

It interacts…or should I say people interact with it…

Warm welcome to the Oblask of Oobleckistan
oobleckistan.blogspot.com !
'The Persians'? That would be a breakthrough – we don't even have yet a 'true' Ottoman Empire! But the 18th C. Persians seem specially difficult to discover and cover TMP link (they did not even appear in the great '2,500th birthday' historical parade).

In the 'Emperor vs Elector' avatar of the Multiverse, three major European powers are 'unhistorical' only by name: Britannia (currently torn by a new Jacobite uprising link link ) = Great Britain, Gallia = France link , Gross Hesse-Seewald = Prussia link -yet they are sometimes casually referred to by their 'historical' name.
Austria (Oestichia?), Russia and the Ottoman Empire are currently NPC (Non-Player Countries) but do have armies (and fleets) campaigning here and there.
The whole within the diplomatic situation of the SYW.
The campaigns of 'less historical' minor countries are generally restricted to local theatres and often between 'hereditary enemies', yet *roughly* the alignements follow Protestants vs Catholics vs Ottomans vs Orthodoxs -with Pirates from The Barbary Coast bizercca.blogspot.com vs every Infidel they can reach link link link
TMP link
But all countries exchange flashnews, diplomatic missives and missions, informations, anecdotes, characters -sometimes materialized by minis link visitors link , tabletop generals (playing battles as neutral proxies or PBeM), general 'fluff' for mutual inspiration, enrichment and enjoyment.

P.S.: How was the Chefferie of Bongolesia faring by the mid-18th C.? Did it recruit European mercenaries, Tschombe's Katanga fashion? A great opportunity for exiled Jacobites, maybe?

For my 19th/20th century colonial games I have created a number of different countries that bear strong similarities to real places. These include:
The Sultanate of Marzibar, the British colony of Dammallia, and the German colony of Mankanika in East Africa;
Deutches Sudan and Eastern Sudan on the Red Sea;
Chindia (including the Province of Gaziristan) in South Asia.
For more details, look at link and link .

I have also developed ideas from Winston Churchill's novel about Laurania (see link , link , link , and link )

I stumbled across reference to Persia being a power in the Caucasus and along the Black Sea while doing research yesterday. Not much more nformation than a mention and a prety picture of a light cavalry man.

Perfect for a state appearing only in dispatches. It makes my Abysinians for Colonial gaming look positively mainstream.

Prince Albrecht von Lettow, son of the Duke of Saxe-Huack was recently ordered to Berlin to serve as the adjutant for Prince Henry, General of Infantry.

Dave,

I most certainly have plans for those flights of fantasy. My Archipelago Ameri-go has yet to be discovered by Western Cultures, so the race will be on between the French, British, Spanish, Danes and Dutch when that time comes.

My 18th Century Sojourn will also reveal the true story behind the myth of Atlantis.

Further, following the documented conflict between the French and British in Senegal during the SYW…

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.. the aggression will continue again in the Sudan, where a rebellion will flare up against the Ottomans. The Sultan of the Ottomans is contemplating help from the West.

All this awaits the completion of a few terrain projects and a campaign in Bohemia/Moravia; then back to developing further the ImagiNationary ideas.

cheers,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com

I've always enjoyed adapting the story line of my Frankszonia to the real maps of Frankfurt etc. There's a lovely map site in Germany which gives arial photos which can be overlaid on the road map and from which I derive my battlefield pictures.

On the other hand, since we're mostly using highly improbably powerful midget stamp states, I like to put together ahistorical alliances. The Frankfurter Bun versus the Cheesers … some of whom are stinky but some of whom are real Munsters … of course, the participation of Hungover and Hamburger and all the Wurst states is a constant consideration …
and one has to watch out for those tricky Wieners …
LOL
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