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plutarch 6414 Apr 2009 8:47 a.m. PST

Given that most Spanish battalions at this stage of the war were composite battalions, what colour(s) would be appropriate for the bags attached to the back of the sealskin "bear-skins".

Would it have been a mixture of the reds, violets, blues and sky-blues etc., or would they have have been replaced, which would appear unlikely, with a uniform (or rather, "standard") colour?

And if Allen Curtis provides me with a link which I have missed, as he usually does with the more esoteric questions on TMP, I'll be very Bleeped texted off…

aecurtis Fezian14 Apr 2009 8:59 a.m. PST

I can't. I only have books to answer this.

aecurtis Fezian14 Apr 2009 9:01 a.m. PST

Of course, I could offer a couple of TMP links:

TMP link

TMP link

Now calm down…

plutarch 6414 Apr 2009 9:02 a.m. PST

Allen, would you mind having a quick look for me.

I'll be eternally grateful…

aecurtis Fezian14 Apr 2009 9:04 a.m. PST

I think Bueno's book on the Division de la Romana (in 1808) is consistent with the Lienhart and Humbert plate accessed from either TMP link.

Allen

aecurtis Fezian14 Apr 2009 9:10 a.m. PST

And searching 1808 and later plates in the NYPL Vinkhuijzen collection (from the first TMP link) suggests that grenadiers continued to wear the early pattern; in the case of composite units, surely any grenadiers would wear their "parent" regiment's uniform?

Example:

link

Allen

plutarch 6414 Apr 2009 9:27 a.m. PST

Cheers Allen.

I will have to purchase the Bueno book – thanks for the "heads-up".

I had also totally forgotten about Roly and his work. I might bother him again tomorrow and ask his opinion.

Thanks again,

Lawrence

plutarch 6414 Apr 2009 9:42 a.m. PST

Yes, that's what I would have thought.

Which would mean that a Spanish grenadier battalion would be one of the most colourful (at least from the back), I suppose.

Not that you would know it from the resources available.

Thanks again Allen – your links are always very much appreciated…

NapStein15 Apr 2009 2:13 p.m. PST

The most valuable source for the 1808 Spaniards are the contemporary Estado Militars (the important 1806 is now published – see link also available as book the 1807 Estado, done by Ordovas) … and of course the two contemporary Suhr manuscripts, both published on my site:

- Suhr series "Citizen of Hamburg" => Spanish troops at link

- Suhr series of Spanish troops => link

Nice regards
Markus Stein

plutarch 6415 Apr 2009 3:20 p.m. PST

Thanks Markus, the links are appreciated.

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