"Warlord Games Unveil Command Sprue" Topic

Excellent! I am pretty excited about these!
RebelMike

Got the freebie legionary with Wargames Illustrated today.

He's very nice, and I reckon I'll be "doin' Romans".

Me too Gallowglass… the mini is really nice :)

I received my freebie Roman with WI yesterday. It is a nice looking figure, but I'm not interested in assembling plastic figures. So I probably won't be buying any of them.

Got mine with WI and compared it with my old Rospaks. It was a reasonable match for size, but the new Warlord figure is a lot better in. terms of moulding and style.

Now that people have the freebie… a few scale pics would be nice.

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge

:)

These guys must be the only traders at Salute who aren't actually selling anything…

Here's a scale photo:

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Looks like 24mm to the eyes.

Has anyone done a match up to Zvezda figures,
They tend to be about 23.5mm, I have ended up with quite a few 1:72 plastic romans and celts from a mate and wonder if they will fit.

I already have a full Wargames Foundry Legion but it looks like there's a second, plastic one coming. ;-)

At £17.00 GBP a box (enough figures for 2 cohorts in a box)this legion is going to cost me only a fraction of my first Legion and that is enough of an incentive for me to paint Romans again! ;-)

>Looks like 24mm to the eyes.

That does match up well to the average 1:72nd plastic figure. These figures will have an appeal to collectors of plastic 1:72nd figures. I suppose that Warlord have done this deliberately as the 1:72nd market is so much bigger than the wargames market. If this is a trend it is going to leave the 28/30mm scale creep boys out in the cold.

See this topic for a matchup of the Warlord Games figure and a Wargames Foundry figure

TMP link

they are almost the same height but the legionary is of slighter build.

That does match up well to the average 1:72nd plastic figure.

I think not.

And two comparison shots with HaT 20mm figures

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It's still pretty titchy, though.

Will it get a '-1 for puny physique' in melee against everyone else?

What I'd need is a pic with a roman from Warlord next to one from Foundry.

"What I'd need is a pic with a roman from Warlord next to one from Foundry."

Take a look a few posts up – Justin posted exactly that – comparison shot of a Foundry auxiliary and a Warlord legionary.

Picked mine up today (first WI that I've bought in a while, to be honest) and (1) it's very nice, and (2) it's too small for me – my pile o'lead waiting to be painted one day is the Saleh version of Foundry EIRs, and towers over the Warlord one. The one Perry pack that I do have (Ballistae and crew) is an extremely good match with the Warlord figure – the latter is slightly more slender, and bang on the same height.

So, if you're starting out, yep, these are very nice, and if you have the smaller Foundry Romans, they'll fit in nicely, but if you have the larger Foundry sculpts they don't blend too well. Two out of three ain't bad, as they say; pity I'm the third…. Might paint mine up anyway, just to see what it's like, but a shield transfer would've been nice…. ;-)

As an aside, does anyone know which packs are which in the Foundry range? I know EIR 1/1 to 1/8 are the bigger Saleh sculpts, are any of the others? (Interestingly the Foundry site says to use Caesarean Roman command with those packs, hmm, wonder where I'll end up with a bunch of extra big and bulky Caesarean command figures….)

Dom.

Gallowglass, I was about erasing my post after seeing that thread. I guess I'leave it anyway. Thanks.

What I'd need is a pic with a roman from Warlord next to one from Foundry.

Justin's posted one above, but you need to be aware that Foundry Romans come in two "flavours". Umm, give me a minute….

Dom.

Sorry I only have the old Foundry Romans. Have not bought the new Foundry Romans.

Yes a bit small but still good looking.

Hopefully this'll work:

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Left to right: Foundry (Perry) Warlord (Plastic) Foundry (Saleh)

Dom.

Woohoo! It worked. As you can see, even allowing for the more upright pose, the Saleh sculpt towers over the Warlord figure, unfortunately. The Warlord one looks pretty happy alongside the Perry sculpt, though, so if anyone does know which packs are which, that'd be handy info….

Dom.

PS – There was a nice article on speed-painting the Warlord Romans; anyone got a link, as I can't find it all of a sudden?

Yes Dom, thats fantastic – but why do you have unpainted metal lying around :)

There was a time when I was quite well paid and had no free time. I accumulated rather a lot of lead in that period of my life. Now that I'm partially in the wargames industry I'm no longer quite well paid, and have no free time…. ;-) Maybe I'll paint it when I retire….

Dom.

Good info. Thanks

Just to get as many comparisions as possible.

Does any one have a Black Tree Legionaire or Companion to compare with the Warlord figure?

For excellent comparative pictures of foundry and warlord go to the bottom of this page:
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Great link there, blacksmith – cheers.

In the 3 figure shot they look a perfect match, then in the bottom 2 figure shot the plastic one look noticeable smaller (bulk and height).

I guess at the end of the day the answer really is buy some and judge for yourself.

They look ok though.

I must say what an unbelievable response to these miniatures I read here. The Warlord Romans are the size they are – I'm sure they will be perfectly compatible with the Warlord Games metal models! These look like very fine miniatures and at the price they are recommended for sale at simply amazing! Of course the models will not be size compatible with SOME other manufacturers' models. This is hardly cause for the negativity expressed by some people here. If Warlord had made their Romans the same size as the huge Saleh models then these self-same naysayers would no doubt be bitching about how they were too big! Sheesh! Wargamers! Pah!

This is hardly cause for the negativity expressed by some people here.

Examples please…. Just curious as your rant seems to be on the back of a thread pretty much entirely composed of people checking whether the Warlord Romans will fit with the models that they already own.

I'm sure they will be perfectly compatible with the Warlord Games metal models!

Me too! That affects people wanting to add them to existing armies how…? Just curious, as you seem mighty keen to defend a product that nobody's attacked.

If Warlord had made their Romans the same size as the huge Saleh models then these self-same naysayers…

Ahh, as I'm the only person to have specifically mentioned the Saleh sculpts, I presume I'm "these self-same naysayers" then…?

Dom, who wrote:

So, if you're starting out, yep, these are very nice, and if you have the smaller Foundry Romans, they'll fit in nicely, but if you have the larger Foundry sculpts they don't blend too well. Two out of three ain't bad, as they say…

Damn, I really did lay into them didn't I…?

PS – Apologies to Warlord for dragging off-topic, I probably shouldn't have bitten. Nice figures, by the way….

In the 3 figure shot they look a perfect match, then in the bottom 2 figure shot the plastic one look noticeable smaller (bulk and height).

I have one in person and you are right, the plastic is less bulky.

That was no rant that was me expressing dismay (mildly as it happens) at the 'look a gift horse in mouth' attitude expressed by some TMPers re these new models and this new company. Bloody internet!

Hey Dormammu, it was me who referred to the figures as 'titchy', which I didn't intend as an insult. They are nice sculpts indeed, but they are on the petite side in height and bulk. There's nothing wrong with that at all, and no doubt the company's metal figures will match them. Indeed, there are a number of ranges of smaller 25mms that will go well with these.

However, the majority of figure ranges produced in the last 5-10 years have been significantly larger – Crusader, the more recent Foundry ranges, Artizan, Gripping Beast, Vendel etc. Those will be the figures that most people have in their collections at present.

There has been no trend for 'scale shrinkage' at all.

So, when I measure a Foundry Caesarian Roman (a bareheaded figure) at 30mm and a Saleh Foundry Greek (also bareheaded) at 32mm just on my painting table right now, it is only reasonable to consider whether this new Warlord figure (24mm to the yes, and – he looks again at the photo – 26-27mm to the top of his closely cropped Roman haircut) will fit the figures I already own. If he looks like a thirteen year old, it's something to consider.

If I calculate the Greek as a man of 5'11 (probably very tall for the era) that 26-27mm comes in at, um, 4'10" or 11" (1/54 scale). If I calculate the Greek at 1/60th he's a giant 6'5" and the WL legionary is 5'3" -5'5". That's probably a perfectly reasonable height for an ancient Roman, but all my other figures are like night club bouncers.

Indeed, the Roman debacle at Teutoburgerwald becomes easily understandable if you consider that the WL legions are forced to face a massed horde of Copplestone's hulking 6'6" Germans.

See my point?

That was no rant that was me expressing dismay (mildly as it happens) at the 'look a gift horse in mouth' attitude expressed by some TMPers re these new models and this new company.

Rather missing the point that Warlord's range isn't a "gift horse" but rather one for sale, just like any other. To stretch your analogy, you don't look a gift horse in the mouth, but you blooming well do check the teeth before buying one…. As for attitudes to a new company, I seem to recall you cheerfully having a dig at another new company not so very long ago, but I digress….

Are the Warlord figures any good? Yep, pretty nice; a couple of minor flaws (I'll skip them for now; I'm painting mine to see what he looks like, and to avoid doing any work this evening, so I'll probably post a quick review on the relevant board later) but a decent product at an attractive price. Does that mean that everybody should rush out and buy them? Nope, of course not.

If you have an existing army, as many of us do, compatibility is an issue, so it's not unreasonable for people to discuss it. As it happens I have 200 or so Saleh Foundry Romans, so probably won't be adding Warlord's figures to my army – the Saleh ones are big sculpts, the Warlords ones are little sculpts, and they look daft next to each other. If I had Perry Romans, I would certainly buy them; Warlord are more slender, but basically similar in stature, and to my eye they look fine together. If I was just starting out, I suspect I'd start with a few Warlord boxes, and then look for figures compatible with them; as it is unless I flog my Foundry stuff and start from scratch (a bit pointless, really….) they're unlikely to feature on my shopping list. Does that make them a bad product that I'm having a crack at? Nope, it makes them a perfectly good product that I happen not to have a need for. Heck, I might even try a box to see what the effect is like en masse (at the price it's affordable enough) but based on a side by side comparison I'm doubtful about it.

As an aside, my Celtic army is Old Glory, who are pretty much bang on the same height as the Warlord Roman, if a little bulkier. Odds are *very* good that I'll be buying me some Warlord Celts when they're released, as early indication are pretty positive for them blending OK with my existing army….

Dom.

I just thought coming form GW folks these figures would be more GW fantasy size and not LOR size. The new(post Foundry etc.) companies are larger with their sculpts. So if these new ones are slender and not compatable it makes no sense.

Ahhh, I was just wondering if someone show one of these guys agains a GW empire figure perhaps. I'd love to see the scale difference. I have GW scale figures but not other scales. I'm new in the wargaming community but LOVE Romans

So if these new ones are slender and not compatable it makes no sense.

It depends who they're marketing to. I actually prefer a more realistic style, so if starting out, as opposed to adding to an existing army, these would be a real winner. Likewise people with older armies will probably find them suitable, and the "post-Foundry" companies don't seem to have a lot in the way of specifically EI Romans anyway – to be honest I think they've called it right in the size they've gone for – as it happens it doesn't fit my collection, but they will probably fit more than they don't.

Dom.

Well, I'm effectively starting out with ancients, so I'm very pleased to see these guys. But the point about mixing with other ranges is well made. based on the sample given away with WI, the Warlord Romans mix nicely with the Perry-sculpted Foundry EIR, but are certainly much smaller than the Saleh sculpts. They look like they'd mix faily well with the the Gripping Beast EIR, though.

I like the Warlord Games figures (well, the one I have), and the fact that there will be some associated/supporting metals is good news too. Given that Warlord are due to release Celts as well, it seems that they're effectively a one-stop-shop for a beginning Roman player – you can build opposing armies very easily. Mix in a few Foundry EIR (and maybe Gripping Beast), as well as some Old Glory Celts (and I suppose Gripping Beast again) and you have quite a nice selection from which you can build your opposing armies. Let's face it, you can never have too many hairy barbarian types!

As to the Roman free fig, I found it went together very well and paints up nicely. I like the proportions as well – it doesn't look like a Space Marine with a pilum. I think it would be pretty easy to knock out 150-200 of these guys quickly with a decent paintjob and get 'em on the table. The fact that the shield transfers will be "in the box" is also a good idea.

So yes – I will be buying these, and building an EIR army for WAB, with an opposing Celt or ancient British force as soon as the boys with the big 'taches, funky shields and spiky hair are available.

The plastics were a brave (and I would guess, not inexpensive) move by Warlord Games. They appear to have a quality product and I wish them well. In true wargamer fashion, their impending release has made me go "Ohhhh – shiny!!" and dig out Ospreys with McBride plates, scratch my head over basing, trawl ebay looking for Perry sculpted EIR and flick through the pretty pictures in my WAB 1.5 rulebook.

On a pure cash basis, the proposed price is also VERY attractive, seeing as I'll soon be in the US and earning in dollars as opposed to euro. I always toyed with the idea of doing a Roman army, and this makes it possible. I probably wouldn't do it otherwise.

More fantastic pictures comparing scales from different houses: link