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skippy000106 Oct 2012 5:21 a.m. PST

I would expect everyone to 'tweak' their own setting.

abdul666lw06 Oct 2012 6:01 a.m. PST

Indeed -and not to detract or disparage the efforts of people drawing attention to this ignored subgenre- but 'Flintlocks on *Barsoom*' games don't require a special 'commercial' set of rules. Initial bragging about the performances of radium rifles notwithstanding, Barsoom is a 'Sword & Planet' setting for swashbuckling adventures of the 3 Musketeers – Brigadier Gérard type.
Thus to play Napoleon (or Munchausen in Catherine 's service, or Montcalm and Wolfe…) on Barsoom, any set of rules (of the 'scale' corresponding to personal tastes and possibilities, from skirmishes to mega-battles) allowing to play the F&IW or the Carnatic Wars link is adequate. Using a common type of troop or weapon as the reference for a 'rule of 3' computation it's not that hard to 'import' from a set of rules into another (eg. elephants and rockets into a F&IW set, Byzantine fire siphons in H&M rules…).
Flyers look more 'deterring', but detailed aerial warfare is a game in itself, e.g. the (spectacular) 'Cloudships of Mars' link
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But n a basically 'land' game, even on Barsoom, flyers should not be more important than canoes and longboats in an 'amphibious' game. I'm not a fan of 'hypergeneric' sets of the HOTT type, but the 'Fantasy extras' of the Old WRG Ancients 6th edition had very simple rules for flyers: a single flying height with standardized effect on shooting ranges, optionally a single movement rate, always 'uphill', otherwise treat as extra-fast light cavalry, elephant or warwagon…

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(the sails are mechanically silly, but the model is beautiful)

The Barsoomian lower gravity can be ignored -it is implied enough in the silhouette of a few minis

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Rudysnelson06 Oct 2012 8:36 a.m. PST

Ironically I have been working on a VSF mars culture as well as a couple of chapters on pre-VSF Earther invasion. I had never thought to include a Napoleonic era venture to Mars or 1700s era.

An interesting background with possibilities.

Battlescale06 Oct 2012 8:37 a.m. PST

The World's gone mad.

skippy000106 Oct 2012 8:38 a.m. PST

Grav pasties!!!

Don't forget Planetary Romance Role Playing-I have two lady friends that got into it because of the Sharpe books and they bought Osprey Napoleonic books also.

Look at Talislantan Windships for practical looking mast/sail arrangements.

A Ringworld would keep Nappy occupied for a bit:)

abdul666lw06 Oct 2012 9:51 a.m. PST

Relevant thread: TMP link


To give some more 'Napoleonics' a taste for imaginary uniforms and Planetary Romance:

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doug redshirt06 Oct 2012 1:07 p.m. PST

I usually look at this type of nonesense and go what ever floats your boat. But some things just really stretch the dead brain cells too much. The man couldnt even hold onto France, never held Egypt long enough with enough men to invade much of anything else, didnt control the body of water that would allow him to get more men to Eygpt to use a portal.

Some ideas are clever and some make you laugh, this does nether. I just sigh and realize something really needs to be done about our lack of education in modern schools. This is reflected every day when I say something and my coworkers look on in amazment and wonder and ask how I know that. Ummm I was taught to think and figure things out in school on my own without someone telling me the answers.

I felt bad yesterday explaining to a young lady how the Long Island Medium is really a scam artist and a really cruel one who preys on people who have suffered a lose. I felt like I was telling a young child Santa is a fake. On that note there are just certain "Games" that come along that would require me to sell my soul to all I hold dear to play.

Now why couldnt the game just be a Napoleonic SciFi game using make believe Nations on some distant planet. You could have the nation of Avalon using British figures fighting 4 armed green giant hill tribes that need to be conquered. Or fighting the Kingdom of the Francs who use French 1805-1807 figures, (my favorite period of the Napoleonic Wars and which I have French for), with heavy cavalry riding on a creature the size of a Rhino with 6 legs for example. See how easy that is. That I can do and have fun doing. Not trying to make Napoleon get to Mars and then find enough men to support a conquest and then keep them supplied.

15mm and 28mm Fanatik06 Oct 2012 1:30 p.m. PST

So I'm guessing for most of you this mash-up of Nappy and '50's sci-fi camp isn't such a keen idea?

abdul666lw06 Oct 2012 2:05 p.m. PST

Less silly and more fun than the last Ridley Scott movie.
'Our' Napoleon could not go to Mars? *So what*?
This one discovered a stargate under the great pyramid: just think about the butterfly effect!
Do you really fear youngsters watching such a game will take it as 'History'????
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Then I understand your concern about 'historical realism', being myself worried by 'biological realism'http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=281823 . But not to the point of fearing young people would believe in the man-scorpion 'centaur' of the 'Mummy' sequel. But not to the point of condemning an idea I'd be very reluctant to use personally. We all have our own prejudices: "Now why couldnt the game just be a Napoleonic SciFi game using make believe Nations on some distant planet. You could have the nation of Avalon using British figures fighting 4 armed green giant hill tribes that need to be conquered. Or fighting the Kingdom of the Francs who use French 1805-1807 figures, (my favorite period of the Napoleonic Wars and which I have French for), with heavy cavalry riding on a creature the size of a Rhino with 6 legs for example.": what is the probability of 100% humans on another planet? And worse, what is the probability they would follow *our* early 19th C. fashion? It's at least as far-fetched as opening a virtual tunnel between early 19th C. Earth and Mars.

Not that for me I do like *this* Mars, btw… Spider-mammal chimeras? Warwalkers? But Dejah Thoris, on the other hand…

Wrong choice of period and audience, basically.
Here is a more tolerant (frivolous?) century with generally more tolerant (frivolous?) wargamers:
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Angel Barracks06 Oct 2012 2:59 p.m. PST

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abdul666lw07 Oct 2012 6:25 a.m. PST

The man couldnt even hold onto France, never held Egypt long enough with enough men to invade much of anything else, didnt control the body of water that would allow him to get more men to Eygpt to use a portal.

Who said that in this "alternate timeline" the Royal Navy won at Aboukir Bay? If the French Navy had the upper hand, and Nelson was killed there…

irondog07 Oct 2012 8:33 a.m. PST

I have to agree with the baby pic.
Really? Mars? Napoleon? I cannot figure out why there is not a green (or what ever color martians are) Frederick the Great. or the Kaiser. I have no problem with John Carter Warlord of Mars and his armies but Napoleon, come on. Step away from the magic brownies and come back to earth.

skippy000107 Oct 2012 9:17 a.m. PST

You're right. Realistically, Napoleon would sell Mars to the US Government…wait a minute…Andrew Jackson of Mars!!!

Redleg22507 Oct 2012 9:23 a.m. PST

Seriously, people!

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP07 Oct 2012 12:28 p.m. PST

Umm…

Seems to me that the baby pic is mocking the folks who are doing the "IT'S NOT HISTORICALLY CORRECT!!!!! ELEVENTY!!!!!" bit.

It's folks playing games with toy soldiers. If you don't like it, don't play it. You can always go back to arguing over who made Murat's lace for his sabretache, or the correct number of stitches per inch on a Young Gaurd's button holes. wink

skippy000107 Oct 2012 8:47 p.m. PST

wow, I got six stifles out of this!

Sumatran Rat Monkey07 Oct 2012 9:08 p.m. PST

And people wonder about the so-called "greying of the hobby."

Heh.

- Monk

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2012 6:41 a.m. PST

Skippy--I think that Jackson on Mars is a capital idea. Rounding up Martians could be where he got his idea for removal of the Seminoles.

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2012 7:02 a.m. PST

Skippy0001 said:

wow, I got six stifles out of this!

Beat ya! Friday I had 4 stifles. this morning I have 13!

This is the only thread I've commented on since Friday too, IIRC.

So yeah……. seems some folks really ARE curmudgeons. I wonder who they might be? heh.

Sumatran Rat Monkey08 Oct 2012 7:12 a.m. PST

So yeah……. seems some folks really ARE curmudgeons.

Nonsense! Don't you see, they're not curmudgeons, they're just righteously engaging in vigorous protest of the unconscionable fact that someone, somewhere, is playing something *they* don't like!

Can your mind not perceive the sanity-searing horror of this concept?!

- Sumatran Snark Monkey

* Edit: Prose wasn't quite purple enough.

irondog08 Oct 2012 9:07 a.m. PST

I would have been at the party when they came up with this idea.
I wonder what idea they thought were to silly when they sobered up.

skippy000108 Oct 2012 9:25 a.m. PST

Then again, the Martians could invade Earth to save the 'Red Men of Jasoom' from oppression and extinction.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2012 10:26 a.m. PST

^^^That's a good one too.

abdul666lw10 Oct 2012 11:39 a.m. PST

Another sacrilegious departure from historical accuracy:

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RastlWorld12 Oct 2012 7:09 p.m. PST

Hey – you will have to admit that what little uniform Lysette is wearing is pretty darn accurate.

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