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Rassilon04 Oct 2012 9:33 p.m. PST

Okay, it's titled "Free Download: Napoleon and the Armies of Mars", but when you get there the .pdf is listed as $9.95 USD?

Am I missing something?

Glengarry504 Oct 2012 9:48 p.m. PST

The vehicle design, construction, and infantry organization guides are seperate, free, supplements to the rules.

Rassilon04 Oct 2012 9:52 p.m. PST

Ahhh… the title of the advert implies the actual rules are free, and that you might want to also check out the additionally free supplements.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian04 Oct 2012 10:05 p.m. PST

My error – the story was submitted with an incomplete headline, and when I corrected it, I made the error. Headline is now fixed.

Rassilon04 Oct 2012 10:13 p.m. PST

Thanks sir! :)

abdul666lw04 Oct 2012 10:25 p.m. PST

As a supporter of a potential '1745 Maurice de Saxe on Mars' TMP link I can only be happy to see pre-Victorian SF becoming fashionable!
AB One Games introduces 'Napoleon and the Armies of Mars' while Wessex Games prepares '1812 Napoleon on Mars': TMP link great minds think alike? The two approaches are obviously quite different, an excellent source of diverse inspiration.

The Pied Piper05 Oct 2012 2:48 a.m. PST

How come this appears in the historical zone of interest? I don't have fantasy or sci-fi in my Zones of Interest, so I shouldn't really be seeing this should I? As far as I'm aware, Napoleon didn't even make it to Moscow, let alone Mars, so who's bright idea was it to create this nonsense?

dampfpanzerwagon Fezian05 Oct 2012 2:53 a.m. PST

Great new idea. I wish you the very best of luck Sir.

Huzzah!

Tony

Oldgamer5605 Oct 2012 3:18 a.m. PST

Actually, Pete, Napoleon did reach Moscow. The problem was that Napoleon lingered too long in Moscow and should have left earlier before the onset of winter. He didn't have the supply system needed to maintain the army, with the Russians employing the burnt earth system to deny local supply.

abdul666lw05 Oct 2012 3:58 a.m. PST

According to the supplements / quasi-'advertising flyers' on free download, the emphasis on huge warwalkers can give a 'Napoleonic Battletech' feel to the game. Totally different from '1812 Napoleon on Mars' TMP link aiming at playing a 'Wellington in India' type of campaign in a 'Sword & Planet' setting.
Now I wonder why the two projects are set in Napoleonic times. Personal preference of the designers? Or because Napoleonic wargaming is so popular, promising a wide audience? In this case I fear the wrong 'population' was targeted. According to my personal experience in clubs and to the tone on discussion groups and forums, 'Napoleonics' are on the average totally allergic to the slightest departure from 'historical accuracy'. One of the reactions above already supports this 'impression'. Mid-18th C. gamers on the other hand proved to be as a whole a less bigot, more open-minded, more tolerant to 'imagination' bunch. '1745 Maurice de Saxe on Mars' link would enjoy a less hostile / more friendly reception than '1812 Napoleon on Mars' -and there were more, and larger, Anglo-French conflicts in India during the SYW than by Napoleonic times. As for 'Napoleon and the Armies of Mars' the problem is different: while '1812 -NoM' respected 'period' warfare and wargaming, just setting them in a more 'exotic' environment, 'NatAoM' is 'steampunk with soldiers in shakos'.

abdul666lw05 Oct 2012 4:10 a.m. PST

Pete, I hope your eyes were not burned by this obscene blasphemy? grin
*Some* proud owners of Napoleonic armies can be intrigued, even interested, by the idea, so the post was not out of place in 'Napoleonic' zone of interest. Could have be worse, imagine it was a link to the 'Need more boobies' board peace

skippy000105 Oct 2012 4:30 a.m. PST

I'm sure a 18th C. conversion supplement would be popular: 'Ben Franklin of Mars', French & Tharkian War' etc. Even a Pirate-era one.Or a Triplanetary Trafalger. Polynesian/Carribean-style Asteroid Belt, Venusian Vivandiers, Chavaux Lagrange Space Cavalry, orbital prison hulks, Cometary Cossacks, The Count of Astra Callisto, Genevan 5, Kentucky Rocket Rifles, Roger Rico's Rangers, Sharpe in Space…..

C'mon! The Uniforms Alone!!! :)…..Puckle Blasters!

Shardik05 Oct 2012 4:55 a.m. PST

As far as I'm aware, Napoleon didn't even make it to Moscow

Wow, that's a courageous statement. If I was that ignorant about a famous event, I think I'd phrase it as "did Napoleon even make it to Moscow?"

John the OFM05 Oct 2012 6:24 a.m. PST
TKindred Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2012 6:32 a.m. PST

How come this appears in the historical zone of interest? I don't have fantasy or sci-fi in my Zones of Interest, so I shouldn't really be seeing this should I? As far as I'm aware, Napoleon didn't even make it to Moscow, let alone Mars, so who's bright idea was it to create this nonsense?

Actually, it's comments like this which have kept me away from Napoleonics for many years, and especially off of the Napoleonics board on this site.

It's a GAME. It looks like it might be fun. It was also probably marketed because it's an interesting idea, and there happens to be all sorts of available minis for this period. If I were to ever consider getting back into Napoleonics, I think it might be with this, because it actually looks like fun, without all the button counting and lace mongering. wink

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2012 6:37 a.m. PST

I guess (and it is only a guess) that an established Napoleonics player will probably already have some figures that are suitble for this game.

And someone thought that the open minded fun time gamer element amongst the Napoleonic Cadre would be interested in such a rule set as this.

IronDuke596 Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2012 6:41 a.m. PST

I am with Pete lack of humour or not…it is posted in the wrong board.

John the OFM05 Oct 2012 6:44 a.m. PST

…so I shouldn't really be seeing this should I?

You are absolutely correct. TMP shouldn't be exposing your eyes to this horrid travesty. I suggest you hire a blood sucking lawyer to remedy this wrong, but he might ask you to pay up front.

I might point out that the news item is half Napoleonics and half … something else.
I am reminded of the articles that appeared in the glossy Courier in its beginning. Some omodhaun used to write garbage articles about suppressing heresy, square bullets, quizzing prospective newbies to see if they were worthy of playing toy soldiers with you, etc.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian05 Oct 2012 7:01 a.m. PST

Now I wonder why the two projects are set in Napoleonic times

Because the Authors have collections of Napoleonics?

John the OFM05 Oct 2012 7:04 a.m. PST

Just like I would set it in the American Revolution, were I to write these rules. grin

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Oct 2012 7:13 a.m. PST

OMG!

This is a true "jumping the shark" moment.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2012 7:36 a.m. PST

Just like I would set it in the American Revolution, were I to write these rules

So, everyone's keen for my Frederick the great v's Al;exandra the great …..on Venus ! Project?

Actually, that could be really cool…… in some weird "gaming" definition of "cool".

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2012 7:44 a.m. PST

If you can't see the connection with the Naps Board, you are wound way too tight.

(I make fun of others)05 Oct 2012 8:23 a.m. PST

Sounds like a David Bowie album from the 70s.

John the OFM05 Oct 2012 8:25 a.m. PST

…you are wound way too tight.
I can hear the SPROINNNNGGGGG!!!!! even in the wilds of NEPA.

John the OFM05 Oct 2012 8:26 a.m. PST

So, everyone's keen for my Frederick the great v's Al;exandra the great …..on Venus ! Project?

Does it feature Mrs Loring or Betsy Ross in a corset?

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2012 8:34 a.m. PST

That sounds like supplemental material…..

jpattern205 Oct 2012 8:59 a.m. PST

How come this appears in the sci-fi zone of interest? I don't have Napoleonics in my Zones of Interest, so I shouldn't really be seeing this should I? As far as I'm aware, Jal Pattus, Jeddak of Thark, didn't even make it to Helium, let alone Jasoom, so whose bright idea was it to create this nonsense?

Why, yes, I *do* have a stick wedged way up in there, why do you ask?

John the OFM05 Oct 2012 9:04 a.m. PST
RedSaber05 Oct 2012 9:50 a.m. PST

Glad to see most of us woke up with a sense of humor this morning! The next thing you kno Patton will be having a go at the Klingons!

Rudysnelson05 Oct 2012 10:31 a.m. PST

It is hard enough to imagine a solid logistical/ supply line in the VFS era. The background for pre-VSF is even shakier.
Just my opinion.

Mick A05 Oct 2012 10:44 a.m. PST

I think this period would be worth doing just to see the faces of certain 'Nappie' players… :)

Mick

Gary Mitchell Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Oct 2012 10:48 a.m. PST

No – I'd not want to have to give any of them the kiss of life after their heart attacks :)

Gary Mitchell Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Oct 2012 10:50 a.m. PST

As always there's a Larry leadhead that says it all. 'Using Gauls as Martians? But that's unhistoric?'

CPBelt05 Oct 2012 11:03 a.m. PST

So when do we get a Napoleonic Science Fiction (NSF) board? grin

I think it's pretty cool. My son asked why Napoleon would want to attack Mars. I said "Because it's there!"

The next thing you kno Patton will be having a go at the Klingons!

Don't give me ideas! I mean, Kirk already took on a French Napoleonic soldier and Lincoln. Now would Patton fight the "shell-head" Klingons or the original Klingons? Who would win in a straight up duel--Patton or Kang? Hmmm…. That's an important question IMO.

tberry740305 Oct 2012 11:32 a.m. PST

Now would Patton fight the "shell-head" Klingons or the original Klingons?

That depends on when he shows up. Before or after that which "…we don't talk about." happened.

skippy000105 Oct 2012 11:39 a.m. PST

A NSF Board sounds great!! Blucher of Barsoom!! Triplanetary written by Tolstoy(I figure 9 times thicker). Cossacks watering their horses from the canals of Mars! Radium case shot! Bushnell's Bird Of Prey! Venusian Swamp Fox!

That would short circuit the Nappy board…LET"S DO IT!!!!!!!!

just in fun tho.

Battlescale05 Oct 2012 11:41 a.m. PST

I say again… ' What the….'?

raylev305 Oct 2012 11:49 a.m. PST

I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue.

Sloppypainter05 Oct 2012 11:53 a.m. PST

I want hussars on 8-legged mounts now!

abdul666lw05 Oct 2012 12:23 p.m. PST

It is hard enough to imagine a solid logistical/ supply line in the VFS era. The background for pre-VSF is even shakier.
Indeed, but if it's the only point really worrying you, set the game a little earlier in a 'Lost Continent'. Before the expeditions of Cook and La Perouse enough of the Pacific Ocean was still unexplored
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TMP link
It would not be impossibly far from India, where the British and French *did* fight a lot during the SYW.
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abdul666lw05 Oct 2012 12:30 p.m. PST

I want hussars on 8-legged mounts now!

Combine (Hussarettes, to boot!):
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bucksurdu.com/blog/?p=1392

with:

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(Tin Man Miniatures tinminis.com/index.htm )

TKindred Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2012 12:55 p.m. PST

If you read the background on the rules, it sets the stage for this during Napoleon's foray into Egypt. One of his "scientific party" finds a portal under the Great Pyramid which transports him almost instantly to Mars. Like walking into one door and out the other side.

Sounds like a fun idea to me, and with all the new plastic French available it might be worth the time to do.

I can hear my wallet crying even as I type this. It knows… it knows…..

Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut05 Oct 2012 1:11 p.m. PST

I think it's a splendid idea. It will certainly be worth looking into of I can ever get motivated to finish my 28mm DBA armies and 15mm Traveller stuff…

Ed the Two Hour Wargames guy05 Oct 2012 3:05 p.m. PST

I think it's great. Good luck!

skippy000105 Oct 2012 3:14 p.m. PST

So we have StarGate-Old Guard…..that'll work. You can fit horses, wagons and cannon through it.

Hussars on Hortas crying HuzzaH!!…somebody please shoot me, I can't STOP!!

Uh-ho, I spotted my Osprey Napoleonic books…

Gary Mitchell Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Oct 2012 7:55 p.m. PST

Someone please write an article about this for our 'Darker Horizons' section of 'Miniature Wargames'. Can't wait to read 'Sharpe's Barssom' in which Princess Dejah Thoris and Major Sharpe… (TURN TO PAGE 67)

Kevin in Albuquerque05 Oct 2012 8:19 p.m. PST

ROTFLMAO

abdul666lw05 Oct 2012 9:29 p.m. PST

Not to rain on your parade, but *this* Mars (contrary to '1812 – Napoleon on Mars') is NOT Barsoom: the only 8-legged creatures are giant spiders, and the rules don't allow to ride them. Now, each of us has his own prejudices, and the Brutes Mutantes -'centaurs' combining a spider [exoskeleton] body with a human(oid) [endoskeleton] torso are beyond the limits of my 'willing suspension of disbelief; but I suppose cavalry riding giant spiders could be treated as the Brutes Mutantes under the rules.
Yet potential suitors of Dejah Thoris have better to search elsewhere.

abdul666lw05 Oct 2012 10:18 p.m. PST

This is a true "jumping the shark" moment.
"Jumping the shark" is mainly in the proposal of a 'Napoleonic' warfare without cavalry and artillery, where a player can dispense with infantry and field of force exclusively composed with battlemechs. More extreme than even Rommel in Libya!
The general idea looks more attractive than the precise setting.

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