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The Regiment

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Armand

I would play that all day. I do not need hyper-realistic terrain. I'll play all day on felt grasslands, felt roads/forests/rivers/etc. I prefer something beyond felt, like this, though.

Hyper-realistic, diorama war game table setups usually are accompanied by figures the painter spent 5+ hours painting each individual figure… Those are games I prefer to pass on: Life happens, figures get broken, chipped, and damaged, and such owners often have a hard time accepting Life's incursions into their hobbies, becoming stressed when it does. Their stress directly impacts my participation in their games, in a negative way, as I am often the person who dropped/damaged their precious figures in game play… Life happens, in spite of my very best efforts. Cheers!

I'd been careful not trying to drop any of those nice minis above, and the smaller the scale collection, the more care usually needed.

You're right Sgt Slag, if you can't hold onto units, best not play – you klutz! :)))

Matter of fact, I find myself more motivated to play a game that looks sharp, rather than being the opposite (funny that).

Thanks!

Armand

Sorry Sgt Slag. I do not agree. While I can and do play games with minimal terrain, I prefer the look of games with terrain that looks the part. I guess the whole moving diorama type of thing. Life does indeed happen – my cancer proved that to me – but I still like to take my time, paint nice figures and make cool terrain.

Maybe I painted with too broad of a brush in my earlier comments, Woolshed Wargamer. Let me expound a bit more on my issue.

I love beautifully painted figures, gorgeous terrain, etc. I enjoy playing with all of it, in other people's games (I am an unapologetic Army Painter, and my terrain is more durable and representative, than handsome, in my games -- see my risk factor comments, below; in my painting and terrain making, I strike a balance I can enjoy my gameplay with).

What puts a kink in my enjoyment, is when a figure gets damaged, and the owner gets upset about it: they will be damaged, if you play with them -- it happens. I have figures which get damaged, in my games, by me, and by other players -- Life happens, damage to figures and terrain, happens! Every time it happens, the players sheepishly show me the damage, apologizing. I laugh, make a quick repair, if necessary, or I swap out the damaged figure with a casualty figure already removed from play.

Damage happens, in every game I have ever played (started wargaming in 1992), no matter whose figures/terrain are in play, no matter who the players are, no matter their years of gaming experience -- every player, myself included, is careful, but Life happens… I know this, I accept it, prior to inviting people to play with my toys. I expect damage to occur, as it is the price I am happy to pay, to engage in playing my games, with my friends, employing my toys which I spend time, money, and effort on, to prepare them for the games we play with them.

When I see someone get upset about damage to their figures, I wonder if they forgot to read the memo: if you game with your well painted figures and terrain, Life will happen, some pieces will be damaged -- it is baked into the experience of gaming with them… They not only forgot to read the memo, they forgot to sign on the dotted line of the contract for gaming with their figures, accepting the known risks of doing so. Everyone tries to be careful, but Life happens. If you don't want to risk damage to your toys, do not game with them -- there is always some damage occurring to some figures/terrain.
It is a known, given risk factor (inescapable outcome, IMO -- Life happens). Cheers!

"Damage happens, in every game I have ever played (started wargaming in 1992)……"

Sarge, really!

I can't remember the last time anything got damaged in my games, or in anyone's game I've played in the past dozen years (and that's when my memory has the right to "expire at" now too). :)))

That's attrition warfare with miniatures! (and not trying pile-on, either)

Sorta gives a whole new definition to throw-together gaming.

Sounds like something for an Editor's Poll – (Bill?).

Wondering if plastic figs have something to do with this degree of damage rate?

Rifles, spears, pole arms never get bent/break, never fall out of the figure's hands? No figures ever get dropped when moving them? None ever come off of their bases? No mounted rider figures ever come off of their mounts? Wow. Makes me wonder what/how others are gaming.

Picking up, moving figures and vehicles, can, and does, lead to issues: thin, long parts get bent, knocked about; glue bonds break, liberating weapons from figure's hands, riders dismount their steeds. It is normal wear and tear, IME.

I find that plastic figures are more tolerant than metal figures, with 3D printed resin figures being the worst, most delicate figures I've ever gamed with. Cheers!

Bent, yes, and a few barrels have broken off of 1/144th scale, resin-printed vehicles (maybe all but one happening in shipping, because of crappy packing from the vendor).

"Figs coming off their bases" – hmmmm, maybe once or twice in 50+ years (my problem has usually been trying to get them off their stands, for the inevitable re-basing project >>>>>

I did break a 3mm Tiger tank barrel last week, when popping these loose from their bases – that was my fault (this required hitting them with a tack hammer and plastic rod punch)……they all launched into an old towel ready for their capture (but one barrel out of a dozen did meet its grief).

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Haven't seen much paint wear – everything gets sprayed with clear lacquer. Another thing, I don't mount with white glue, but have been happy when others have with collections bought (that then needed re-basing) – white glue can be soaked in water to soften it up.

Superglue, epoxy putty, or contact cement for basing is what I use (GOO glue by Walthers – via double-surface application works great).

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Fun foam can be used to make figure bases thicker, for easier grabbing (this foam sheet has some shock/flexibility properties too, as do contact cements).

I suspect there may be mounting differences playing a part in damage issues, maybe single-figure bases that aren't stable enough, or thin stands for multi-figure bases that force players to pick up units by the figures – sometimes there's no base thickness to grab – what's up with that?

Reference my 3mm Tiger bases from the link above, of course there has to be some thickness to it to grab (we're all human – as the Memo says).

Another thread –

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Someone on TMP complained about the thickness of these bases -

Sarge, I don't doubt your experiences here – damn shame.

I have one gamer in the group that's lost the feeling in his fingertips, and so has issues moving units around sometimes – so far no damage, but he has dropped a few minis to the tabletop……hey btw, I usually use fleece mats with foam rubber hills now, aha! (maybe that's the soft-landing solution).

Maybe get off those old-style, hard gamin' boards you mentioned liking – they might be the real killer [of figures]! ;)