"TMP and Kickstarter?" Topic

So what is the deal with TMP and Kickstarter projects?

I recently posted in a thread regarding a Kickstarter that had just started. The original poster stated that his posting regarding another Kickstarter run by the same group had been removed as advertising.

I see that thread no longer exists either.

How are miniatures/gaming related Kickstarter campaigns not important miniatures news?

In the case of the Kickstarter that was under discussion, they are making some of the nicest figures available for their specific period.

Maybe they should pony up and advertise or try it through the news section?

Not sure of course if that is the issue. I have seen a number of posts with links lately here from designers who are selling the files with a link to their shop inside a thread. They often times offer a free download file and when you click on the link it goes to their shop where in addition to the free file are their goods for sale.

Here is one example.

TMP link

And one more

TMP link

Finally

A while back a person was looking for a printer. As I advertise here I placed this and so far it has not been taken down.

TMP link

Well said Greenknight4….

It was thread that was nuked. It's a hard path to walk in that there are things we would like to discuss- such as the whole 'new' aspect of kickstarter figure campaigns, which are becoming very cool, and people avoiding advertising fees.

Bill did let me know why he pulled the thread, and I support his decision. I do wish there was a way to discuss such things. You specifically mention you are NOT posting the link, and someone goes and posts the link to be helpful. If someone has a good idea, let Bill know

So, I shouldn't be mentioning that Walmart has a great deal on something that might benefit gamers/modelers because Walmart doesn't advertise on TMP?

I don't see the difference between mentioning a good find at some retailer and mentioning a good find on kickstarter.

I don't have a vested interest in either business.

All of the miniatures magazines (print and web) are pay-to-play. They won't survive if they allow free ads in posts/articles. Cheers!

We no longer allow forum topics about wargaming-related Kickstarters, as too many people were taking advantage and getting free advertising.

Yes, there is a difference between a company announcing a Kickstarter, and a wargamer mentioning a Kickstarter they find interesting. But in the recent case, one person mentioned a Kickstarter, and then a company posted about theirs and justified it based on the prior topic. So you see, we can't allow any Kickstarter forum topics or some people will take advantage.

So, I shouldn't be mentioning that Walmart has a great deal on something that might benefit gamers/modelers because Walmart doesn't advertise on TMP?

Walmart is not going to be advertising on TMP, so that would not be a conflict.

According to the management it is against the rules to post Kickstarter post "that is what advertising is for"

But you allow kickstarters on the Marketplace? Odd.

Maybe because you have to be a paying member to post in the marketplace? Dunno, just a thought.

I understand the Catch 22 situation about "free advertising" but it still seems silly that we can't tell other gamers about really great figures that are available.

Especially with Kickstarters that often have Early Bird support benefits.

It also seems to me that many of the new Kickstarter people aren't traditional miniatures companies and might not know about TMP or advertising here.

I know some Kickstarters only exist for the duration of the campaign and then go away once fulfilled. So why would they pay for advertising?

79PA this is a company that is doing that.

I get it, but they are paying a membership fee. Like I said, I'm just guessing; I am not making an argument one way or the other.

Doesn't mentioning anything constitute "free advertising"?

I agree, hence my frustration.

I'm betting that if we hit a certain threshold of supporting members, Bill might be more forgiving on people posting links they thought were cool.

Personally I would love to see more links, but understand why he limits them.

So. I no longer support any kickstarters, kind of got burned on a couple, and I in the past I have mentioned a couple KSers that I liked and thought would be of interest to wargamers/miniature fanatics, which were removed. I had no connection at all to any of the KS, only thought they were cool and that others would think they were of use to them also. Talking about a KS after it has ended us of little value to most people. I understand the need for advertising and also for the people running the forums such as this to get funding also, so it may seem that someone mentioning a KS on this or other forums is cheating them because they are getting free word of mouth advertising.

I assume that the goal of this forum is to be a value to as many people as possible who have interest in Wargaming/miniatures.

Yes It would be great if the KS people who have their KS mentioned to become members or pay a fee, or what ever, yet those same KS if mentioned properly in the forum can actually bring more traffic to this site also, as people who google search for a particular KS can then be brought to this forum.

Some KS make it, some dont. I assume that like my self people who mention the KSers often are people who are backing a KS and want it to succeed, and possibly get stretch goals reached so they get better value for their backing, and hence if they mention it on a forum such as this, they increase the likely hood of a success of a product that they want, and others also want also. It is no different then those who post a model they liked or painted, and then tell what company created the model. that company is getting free advertising, simply because someone painted and posted a picture and said SO and SO company produced this model. Do these posted get deleated? No. do all of these very well established companys give donations to TMP for their free advertising they received? or to the extent that they get free advertising? Now, many KS are done by very small or completely new companies, who if sucessful may in the future become a supporter. Does GW help fund this website? there is several topics specifically dedicated to GW games, yet is there a specific topic page for other game companies? Mantic, Osprey ect. I really doubt that TMP is getting a lot of money from GW and if they did, GW would likely being trying to dictate to TMP not to mention KSers.

The question is, how much does it cost TMP if someone mentions a KS. its not like in the past where a paper magazine page actually cost a lot of money for each page they printed in there magazine.

I only visit a few forum pages regularly on TMP, 15mm fantasy, BattleSystem, 3d printing and a few other, often I am looking for ideas, and sometimes products, and if someone mentions a KS for something I find of interest is great for me.

If more funding is needed, reach out to the companies, reach out to the KS providers, reach out to those who are making money on Patreon or even better yet, MyMiniFactory, or get GW to help fund, oh GW doesnt want to? Delete the pages in relation to GW's products, oh, you dont want to do that? why? because many people come to this forum because they have a interest in GW's products or games.

Any ways, just a though

And their you have it GW get hole boards dedicated to their products and doesn't pay a penny in advertising but some kickstarter gets dumped. it seems so random I have posted about new products that have çome out without them being taken down.
What if I ask about a opinions on a new ruleset or start a thread about how great sed ruleset is;is that not advertising?
I might be the author or his mate

Unless it's a company that I've backed one of their KS before (and now get their mailings), or if it's a company I follow on Facebook, the only way I find out about new projects I might be interested in is if some other backer posts about it.

It's a major part of Kickstarter's operating model that backers help spread the word to places where other likely suspects might see it.

I understand Bill's frustration with companies that do know about and could advertise here.

But there are so many more of interest, that the current policy really hurts spreading good hobby information.