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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP22 Mar 2022 2:22 a.m. PST

Good morning all,

In 1476, what were the colors of the Swiss cantons and their allies below:

SCHWYZ – Gules?
LUZERN – Azure and silver?
ZÜRICH – Azure and silver?
ABT St- GALLEN – Silver?
STADT St-GALLEN – Silver?
BIEL – Gules?
THUN – Gules?
BERN – Gules?
FREIBURG – Sand and silver?
SOLOTHURN – Gules and silver?
URI – Gold?
UNTERWALD:
OBWALDEN – Gules and silver?
NIDWALDEN – Gules?
GLARUS – Gules?
ZUG – Silver, azure and silver?
SCHAFFHAUSEN – Gold.
BASEL CITY – silver?
BASEL LAND – silver?
STRASBURG-?
COLMAR-?
THURGAU-?
BADEN-?
FREIAMT-?
APPENZELL-?
SELESTAT-?
LORRAAINE-?
ROTTWEIL-?
SUNDGAU-?
BREISGAU-?
BLACK FOREST-?
GREYERZ-?
WALLIS-?
NEUCHÂTEL-?
BISHOPRICS OF BASEL and STRASSBURG?

Thank you.

Alea Jacta Est Miniatures22 Mar 2022 11:59 a.m. PST

You can see some examples on the Diebold shilling chronik. You will have the exact livery and colors.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP23 Mar 2022 9:35 a.m. PST

Do you have this book?

JimDuncanUK23 Mar 2022 10:32 a.m. PST

There's a copy on sale:

link

Go on, you know you want to.

Swampster24 Mar 2022 1:48 a.m. PST

There are various Swiss Chronicles on-line
There are two Diebold Schillings – the elder and the younger, and there are several chronicles by them.

This is an earlier one.
link

This is a slightly later one
link

Others are here link You will also find some by other authors, though the Schillings are generally the most useful.

They are also handy for flags of the various allies, though not all are shown.
There are descriptions of each page in German which sometimes help with identification.

Some have doubted whether the extensive use of livery in some illustrations represents reality or is a handy identifier of showing the unity of the cantons. The Chronicle illustrations are representative – after all, the number of men shown in battles is very low but I painted mine as represented in the Chronicles – some care has been taken with arms and armour so the livery might also be right. And I think it looks good. One rather fanciful element I took from one of the illustration is a bear fighting for the Bernese :)

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP24 Mar 2022 2:42 a.m. PST

I won't buy these things and even if they gave them to me I won't read them.

Such a book in English at the limit, for lack of anything better, but especially not in German…

Since thanks to the Swiss Chronicles,you have the answers to my questions asked above (There are no other people who had the same idea as me.. ?), please answer it, thank you.

Alea Jacta Est Miniatures24 Mar 2022 3:49 a.m. PST

I made an Burgundian wars project, and I use the diebold shilling chronics to make my swiss banners (you can see them here link and to paint my Army.

Swampster24 Mar 2022 11:28 a.m. PST

If you look at TMP link I posted a picture from Schilling which shows most of the cantons and flags of some of the allies.
The Battle of Grandson pictures shows some more

picture


I no longer have any written notes to list all the info I found.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP25 Mar 2022 3:29 a.m. PST

Thank you, I would have to find editions of the Swiss chronicles in French or in English, does that exist?

Swampster25 Mar 2022 10:33 a.m. PST

The German explanations seemed to translate well enough using google translate. After all, it is mainly the names of the contingents that you want (if they are mentioned) and they will be more or less the same in whatever language.

"Boten von Strassburg, Basel und anderer Städte suchen zu vermitteln, Mai 1440. Blick auf Zürcher Flotte und Rapperswil." becomes "Messengers from Strassburg, Basle and other cities seek mediation, May 1440. View of the Zurich fleet and Rapperswil."

To get the descriptions, click on 'Metadata' and then 'Description' is one of the tabs. Scroll down to find the relevant page description.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP28 Mar 2022 3:08 a.m. PST

Thank you and apart from that, does anyone have any information on the size of Swiss banners and "Fähnlein" pennants?

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