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Personal logo doctorphalanx Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2018 2:45 a.m. PST

Were these half and half (say red and white) or were they quartered so they would show the same colours left and right whether viewed from front or rear?

HANS GRUBER19 Feb 2018 4:53 a.m. PST

From what I understand they were usually quartered, but not always. For example, I don't think Burgundian infantry tunics were always quartered.

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2018 5:14 a.m. PST

Both systems were used, it depended on the unit…and the whims of its commander.

Personal logo doctorphalanx Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2018 5:45 a.m. PST

I'm particularly interested in the Burgundians.

I'm also interested in the Swiss, though from what I've learnt at TMP they generally favoured clothing in Cantonal colours but not in a uniform way.

HANS GRUBER19 Feb 2018 6:37 a.m. PST

My Burgundian foot are not quartered and do not have the cross on the back. My knights are quartered and do have the cross.

The new owner of Steel Fist Miniatures has an excellent Burgundians army in 25:

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Personal logo Swampster Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2018 7:46 a.m. PST

When Swiss are shown in Cantonal colours in Schilling, they tend to be halved – the arms are often covered in the same colour as in

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Some of the tunics are shown with the diagonal divide as on the canton banner which I expect would be even more difficult if quartered.

Sir Walter Rlyeh19 Feb 2018 2:14 p.m. PST

The Cheshire archers were half and half, green and white. They were known for their skill and paid more than bowmen from elsewhere. They were recruited as a royal bodyguard by 1334. So a second vote for half and half.

wrgmr120 Feb 2018 10:40 a.m. PST

My Burgundians have blue on one side, white on the other.
They are based for Armati on 60x60mm plywood.
Red cross's on the front, none on the back.

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MacColla21 Mar 2018 1:57 p.m. PST

Have a look at the livery badges on the Citadel Six website. You will see they are all printed on the basis of halved livery coats, not quartered.
IIRC, that is also what is stated to be the position in Pat McGill and Jonathan Jones' "Standards, Badges and Livery Colours of the Wars of the Roses" published by Freezywater Publications – an invaluable little booklet I recommend to anyone interested in the Wars of the Roses.

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