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Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP07 Nov 2021 8:17 a.m. PST

Don't forget not to change your clocks today, 'coz they did it themselves, automatically. :)

So … what proportion of the devices that you use to tell time are programmed to automatically adjust for a semi-annual time adjustment?

I would estimate about half the devices are programmed to automatically adjust, but those probably represent 80% or more of my actual timekeeping use.

My microwave, coffepot, and car clock all require manual adjustment. But I almost never use them to tell what time it is.

My phone (that is, my personal handheld computer that incidentally can connect its cellular modem to the telephone network) has that capability, but I have turned it off. That function is embedded with the automatic time zone managment function, which I do not want. I could write some code to do just the DST function, but I have better ways to waste my time.

I was the only person to pass my undergrad introductory hardware assignment to build a clock with DST functionality (by accident) and I've been programming for over four decades, so it's more of a metaphysical decision not to implement DST on my phone.

14Bore07 Nov 2021 8:42 a.m. PST

I detest changing the clocks, forward or backward.

45thdiv07 Nov 2021 9:13 a.m. PST

My game room clock is battery driven, so it needs to be adjusted manually. I update it first, being the most important one in the house.

khanscom07 Nov 2021 9:25 a.m. PST

DST is not observed in Arizona (Navajo tribal land excepted IIRC)-- Mountain Standard Time year round. PC clock recognizes this.

epturner07 Nov 2021 10:08 a.m. PST

Mox nix to me here in Kuwaitistan. Neither here, nor Saudi Arabia are we changing clocks.

My Intelligent Phone did not change just fine without me failing to not change it…I think I got that right.

Eric

parrskool07 Nov 2021 10:09 a.m. PST

Frankly I don't see the point in all this changing. About time it stopped.

MajorB07 Nov 2021 10:16 a.m. PST

"Don't forget not to change your clocks today, 'coz they did it themselves, automatically. :)"

Ours in the UK changed (automatically) last weekend.

MajorB07 Nov 2021 10:18 a.m. PST

I detest changing the clocks, forward or backward.

In the UK they tried not changing them for a couple of years. In the winter you ended up going to work in the dark and coming home in the dark. Road accidents increased significantly so we went back to changing the clocks in Spring and Autumn!

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2021 10:34 a.m. PST

Computer and smart phone change automatically. Clock and watch must be adjusted.
MajorB, here in Indiana we're on "Extended" Eastern Daylight Savings Time--presumably to stay in synch with east coast corporate offices--and it's exactly what puts our schoolchildren out in the dark October-November and again in spring. But that's OK, because the sun is shining in Rhode Island.
I still haven't figured out how I save electricity by turning on the lights in the morning instead of the evening.

Cerdic07 Nov 2021 10:36 a.m. PST

Really Major? When was that? Must have been a fair while back 'cos I don't remember having to NOT change the clocks!

I believe the main reason we still change is for Scottish farmers…

Cerdic07 Nov 2021 10:40 a.m. PST

Robert – exactly! If you only have 7 hours of daylight, you only have 7 hours of daylight no matter what time you want to call it…

Thresher0107 Nov 2021 12:55 p.m. PST

I like the extra hour of sleep, but the whole changing the clocks thing twice a year IS just silly.

torokchar Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2021 1:37 p.m. PST

I normally get up at 0500 every day to paint, so today I got up at 0400 and added an hour of paint time!!! Hopefully tomorrow I can get up at 0500?

Cardinal Ximenez07 Nov 2021 2:22 p.m. PST

We still have a good number of mechanical clocks.

14Bore07 Nov 2021 2:47 p.m. PST

Most every day I start work at 6am, and so bed is 8pm, being light out until 9pm in summer is useless and dark a hour of work time is bad. That's why I have no use for DST

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2021 3:05 p.m. PST

Changeovers tend to hit at Cold Wars and Fall In, too. I don't think it helps the Sunday AM flea markets. Seems as though every spring, I get up at the "new" morning time, but the vendors are still in bed, and every fall, I wake up after a full night's sleep, but it's still officially too early for anything to be going on.

Also, temperate zone winter, I don't care what they do with the clocks, it's going to be dark when you drive to work and dark when you drive home. Unless you (a) punch in at 0600 and work a legal max 8.5 hour day--I used to do that--or (b) somewhere in the UK they're working four hour days?

Zephyr107 Nov 2021 3:24 p.m. PST

My VCR's automatically changed a couple weeks ago. They didn't get the notice that Congress moved DST to a new day. So, now I have to manually change them twice each DST… :-p

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2021 3:30 p.m. PST

6 devices/clocks don't change (7 if you count a wristwatch I don't actually wear). 7 devices auto-change. So it's a virtual tie. Obviously, one or the other side is gonna have to find some additional devices forgotten in a closet or the trunk of a car…

dBerczerk07 Nov 2021 4:11 p.m. PST

I wonder how people change their sundials?

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2021 4:29 p.m. PST

Tricky, dBerczerk. I think I'd just make a plastic DST ring with an adjusted time which I could put on and take off once a year rather than move the sundial.

John Armatys07 Nov 2021 4:32 p.m. PST

Cerdic said "Must have been a fair while back 'cos I don't remember having to NOT change the clocks!"

It was in 1971 – see
link

55th Division07 Nov 2021 5:24 p.m. PST

you think you have it hard, here in the UK we have to reset out stone circles twice a year due to the clock changes
YouTube link

Stryderg07 Nov 2021 7:30 p.m. PST

You would think that the ancients would have built Stonehenge and similar places on giant dollies to make them easier to adjust. Maybe we just haven't discovered those, yet.

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2021 7:52 p.m. PST

Daylight Savings Time should be abolished. I really hate it. But not as much as my Wife hates it.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Nov 2021 6:05 a.m. PST

You would think that the ancients would have built Stonehenge and similar places on giant dollies to make them easier to adjust.

What?!??!? And reduce the number of people it takes to carry out a government function???!?! UNTHINKABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sincerely,
A Career Civil Servant

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Nov 2021 6:15 a.m. PST

And … most ancient peoples didn't have a need to change sundials and other solar time devices. While the sexigesimal math system has been around since the Babylonians and Sumericans and the 24 hour day since the ancient Greeks, none of them used a constant duration hour. The equinoctal system divided howvermuch daylight and night you have up into 12 equal segments.

Sun devices for telling time would be calibrated with a converging set of marks for sunrise and sunset. Fortunately, for most people the size of the shadows you get also change on a seaosonal basis, so you can stack the lines and know visually where you are without accounting.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Nov 2021 6:19 a.m. PST

This thread TMP link just reminded me that we have a robot that feeds our cat. Since it announces the time twice a day, I suppose it has a clock function.

Said robot is not programmed to change with DST, but we also don't realign feeding times to match the clock. The animals get fed at 0700 now instead of 0800.

Garand08 Nov 2021 6:34 a.m. PST

Down here in Ecuador daylight savings time does not exist & would be meaningless. I am around 100mi away from the equator. We get 12 hours of light & 12 hours of dark all year round…

Damon.

The Last Conformist08 Nov 2021 7:55 a.m. PST

Phone, tablet, and laptops (home and job) changed automatically. Wall clock, oven, and wristwatch did not.

I'm now idly wondering whether the e-reader thinks it's on DST or not. It's drifted too much to tell easily.

Dagwood08 Nov 2021 9:55 a.m. PST

Like Zephyr 1, one of our clocks changed automatically a month ago and we had to manually put it back, and then manually change it at the right time.

I have never understood why we change in spring around the time of the equinox, but change in autumn four (UK ?) to six (US ?) weeks after the equinox.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2021 10:54 a.m. PST

Thank Congress.

The clock switching is a monumentally stupid idea which serves no purpose at all. It should be abandoned.

MajorB08 Nov 2021 11:13 a.m. PST

Also, temperate zone winter, I don't care what they do with the clocks, it's going to be dark when you drive to work and dark when you drive home. Unless you (a) punch in at 0600 and work a legal max 8.5 hour day--I used to do that--or (b) somewhere in the UK they're working four hour days?

On December 21st in the UK we will get 7 hours 46 mins of daylight (or thereabouts)

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2021 4:33 p.m. PST

Hated the change when I worked midnights in the ICU, 9 hrs instead of eight. And usually I didn't work the "spring forward" of 7 hrs.

14Bore08 Nov 2021 5:35 p.m. PST

I could be off with 40 years separation but was in Scotland on New Years and seem to remember 9am still dark and in East Anglia in summer light shorty after 3am on night shift.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP08 Nov 2021 9:40 p.m. PST

I have an old car and a newer car of the same manufacture. The old car has little buttons on the dashboard that you push with a pen to change the hours and minutes. They're even labelled "H" and "M".

Every six months, I have to change the time on the newer car, and I cannot remember how to do it. So I go to the manual, look up "clock" in the index, and open to that page. The instructions are very clear. There is even a picture of where the same little "H" and "M" buttons are.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2021 10:22 a.m. PST

I've never changed a time keeping device. I'll start
doing it when the sun cycle changes…

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