"Chasseurs a cheval, 19th regiment" Topic

AB 18mm

Great work!

Very nice.

Nice job on these!

Beautiful

neat painting, even the piping around the collars, nice colour control, great looking unit – I like the orange, how did you do it?

Beautiful! This is a regiment I need to paint. I'm simultaneously inspired and in awe!

Cheers
John

Very nice work.

you made my week early ones great

Thanks for all the kind words.

The orange is supposed to be "Aurore" (dawn in French), a slightly orange yellow, but I think I did get it a bit too orange. Never mind, the 13th regiment had orange facings … I use the facing colours I like best, rather than following specific OOB

I used Reaper HD Golden Yellow 29808 with a little extra orange. That provides good coverage, but a couple of things needed a second layer. I have no idea whether the exact paint is part of the Reaper Bones range that replaced the HD range. The shading (plumes) is done with Liquitex burnt sienna ink, mixed to form a wash with 50/50 matte medium/water(flow) mix

John

I thought aurore was different – the 19th, 20th, 21st had aurore, while the 13th, 14th and 15th had orange. I'm willing to stand corrected.

Cheers,
John

I would class the above facings also as orange, aurore – difficult to describe – but anyway – the Chasseurs à Cheval look nice, I am waiting to get those from Sho Boki of about early French Revolution period.

There's discussion of aurore here – how reliable I don't know.

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It certainly seems to be a more yellow-gold/orange, whereas the orange on these 19th Regt chasseurs seems suitably orange-orange.

Cheers,
John

I agree – too orange – they are now officially renamed the 14th regiment – good job I didn't paint 19 on the saddle rolls :)

Maybe next time – although I might be more tempted to try "cramoisi" (crimson). Couldn't possible get that one wrong …

Thanks

John

Aurore = salmon pink- did I read many years ago?

My version FWIW, is to start with your fav yellow, then add the minutest dash of bright red (call it what you will); then because you have used too much and it is indeed 'orange'.

Again add same quantity of yellow and some (a drop) solvent (warm water?) on the end of a toothpick, model screwdriver or knife blade to minimise amount.

Mix thoroughly with a clean dry implement- don't keep using the stirrers you use to transfer paint from bottles; to further 'reduce' the tone, add by increments the same >>minutest dash<< of white to the blend.

Mix thoroughly with a clean dry implement- and dry brush some models (pre-primed) in both dark and light colouration to see how your 'mix' looks on various substrates.

I've been 'recreating' a certain regiment for a year now, and many iteratons have passed… eventually I'll have something to show,
regards d

There was a discussion of aurore on this very site in 2011:
TMP link

A link in that discussion had this to say:

"And, occasionally, a common color name changes meaning. An example is the French term aurore. During the seventeenth and most of the eighteenth century, it signified a yellow with light red tones, whereas today it suggests a yellowish light red, a cream-of-tomato-soup color. Its shift in meaning began in the early nineteenth century and can be traced through painting instructions in English and German as well as French. The French chemist Jean Hellot noted a similar shift in the color scarlet."

Amongst other comments, someone suggested Vallejo Light Orange, although looking at my bottle I suspect it might need further lightening, probably with a pale yellow.

Edit: Then I saw this TMP link featuring some of the luminaries on this sight, notably Deadhead, who recommends (with documented photographic evidence!) using Vallejo German Orange straight out of the bottle. Good enough for me :-)

Cheers,
John

Portrait of Captain Mounier 19e Chasseur a cheval 1814

Presumed portrait of S.Lt Duval 19e Chasseurs a cheval. Slightly darker shad to the picture.

Portrait of Colonel Grouchy 19e Chasseurs a Cheval

Portrait of Chef d'escadron Peyrot 19e Chasseur a cheval 1803

and to make things even more confusing, Lucien Rousselot's paintings of two trumpeters from the 19e Chasseurs a Cheval. As the portraits are pictures of the originals, the color could either be too light or too dark compared to the real portrait in person.

The red in the aurore orange shade may well fade out earlier leaving a yellower shade.

I'm inclined to go with the photo Deadhead posted of the Guard Chasseur a cheval, where the colour seems very close to Vallejo German Orange. As we know, trying to find the one definitive answer to Napoleonic colours, which vary by batch and exposure to the elements (and then have the effect of time on any representations we have) is a Sisyphean task.

Cheers,
John

thanks for all those nice portraits, Chef d'escadron Peyrot seems to carry a sabre d'honneur and curiously a golden sabre strap.

Von W,

You are correct. A close up of the sabre can be found in the regimental history witn details about the action.

Sorry to double post. Close-up for the sabre d'honneur
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Sadly, I can not remember who sent me this. Thanks in advance.