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jeeves21 Dec 2020 8:41 a.m. PST

I've seen many lists of available pre-dreadnought and dreadnought miniatures that have been made through the years online. Could someone direct me to the most recent ones? I'd like to know about cruisers, destroyers, etc. as well as capital ships currently being produced. Thanks in advance.

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP21 Dec 2020 9:46 a.m. PST

What scale ?

Navwar still do the most extensive range in 1/3000th.

WTJ do 3D printed ones in scales from 1/2400th up to 1/1500th (or possibly larger ?). Very expensive but also very detailed and the paint up well.

Tumbling Dice do a range in 1/2400th but it isn't very complete yet.

jeeves21 Dec 2020 12:51 p.m. PST

1/2400. Sorry what I meant to say a compiled list of who makes a model for specific ships. I'm sick of checking every major manufacturer to see if they make a specific destroyer, and then missing it and only finding out later.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP21 Dec 2020 1:06 p.m. PST

Never seen a compiled list. Looks like you might have a good task during the Christmas "stay at home" period.


jeeves21 Dec 2020 4:29 p.m. PST

You've never seen a compiled list? What's this TMP link These things are all over the place if you do a Google search. Just looking for an updated one.

HMS Exeter21 Dec 2020 5:21 p.m. PST

WTJ has an extensive 3d print range. These are the most detailed, but can be fragile.

GHQ has a fair few late pre-dreads in their Great War line.

Viking Forge has an extensive pre-dread line.

Tumbling Dice is a new player in 2400s. Their line goes all the way back to transitional steam and ACW, and up to the SpanAm war with some sci-fi mixed in.

Shapeways is another source for 2400 scale models. I cant speak to their quality, as I've never been able to successfully navigate their convoluted checkout process.

Hallmark has a modest line of transitional steam thru the seagoing ironclads. Visit Magister Militum.

Panzerschiffe is an oldie, but a goodie. Very basic resin models, their pre-dread offerings were the most comprehensive, until WTJ lapped them in the last few years.

Molniya has a small line of pre-dreads.

I'm sure I've omitted some small purveyor, but this is a good B+ list.

jeeves21 Dec 2020 6:23 p.m. PST

Thanks anyway.

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP21 Dec 2020 6:39 p.m. PST

Brown Water Navy has a large range in 1/1250th scale. Find them at

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP23 Dec 2020 12:38 p.m. PST

You've never seen a compiled list? What's this TMP link
This and Warren Bruhn's other 2012 posts are the closest thing I've ever seen to what you're asking for:
These are still accurate as far as they go, since all of the mentioned models are still in production. A small cadre of us were updating them in 2014-2016. They could use more recent updates, if you want to get things started. There are a lot of new models from WTJ, Tumbling Dice and Shapeways to talk about.

A few years ago Mr Byron posted a nice photo review of his impressive WTJ pre-dreadnought fleets: WTJ Pre-Dreadnought Fleet Review

Here's a sort of survey of the 1/2400 terrain options (spoiler alert: not many).

I keep a naval miniatures shopping database and under it a page of my impressions about each line of miniatures, which may be of some help.

These are only updated sporadically, and may contain errors as miniatures lines pop up, disappear, or move to new vendors. In particular, I find it impossible to keep up with the 3D printing revolution. I am always finding new stuff on Shapeways, even though that site ceased to be the vanguard of new releases a couple years ago when they hiked their prices into the stratosphere. There are always new STL files available and I don't even know where to find most of them. That said, I am rather unimpressed with most 3D prints; WTJ and some Shapeways designers have demonstrated that it's possible to make exquisitely nice miniatures with 3D printers, but most home-printed or small-shop products are full of striations, staircasing, strings and blobs, missing details, poor proportions, etc. 3D printing may be the wave of the present, but good 3D design is an art form as esoteric and difficult to excel at as sculpting.

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Panfilov28 Dec 2020 9:55 a.m. PST

Very few 1/2400 Pre-Dreads on Shapeways, one designer offers a complete Spanish fleet for the Spanish American war (plus later ships), but that is about it. Did buy a Miantomah (Monitor), OK, a little rough, probably need to be printed in the highest quality available.

Shapeways is dominated by people filling the War at Sea 1/1800 CMG "gaps", Everything for the War in the Pacific, Germans, and some British (Did get a nice set of "D" lass WW II British DD).

Panzershiffe, Viking Forge and Tumbling Dice seem like your best bet for a comprehensive selection.

Brigman200006 Jan 2021 6:12 p.m. PST

Black Smoke Blue Water has nearly 200 types of pre-dreadnought 3D models printed by 3D printers in 1/1000 scale.

Website @

wtjcom Supporting Member of TMP20 Jan 2021 3:41 p.m. PST

I'd like to respectfully disagree that WTJ miniatures are "very expensive." Prices for comparable wargaming miniatures are typically equal to or higher than ours.

Nine pound round29 Jan 2021 5:36 p.m. PST

I will heartily endorse the WTJ 3D printed predreadnoughts. They have an excellent range, in the process of augmentation, and the only manufacturer whose castings are of comparable quality in 1/2400 is GHQ. If you make the masts out of wire and solder the spars, you can get an effect that's better than GHQ.

Admiral Rich17 Jul 2021 7:19 a.m. PST

I'd like to add my .02 worth in support of the WTJ 3D printed ships. They are excellent, even in 1:3000 and not, IMHO, expensive. In preparation for the debut of ADMIRAL OF THE FLEET at HURRICON 2021, I ordered all the ships for Tsushima, Yellow Sea and Dogger Bank. The total was $195 USD (roughly $4.50 USD per ship). They are indeed a bit delicate and if you use an airbrush, the detail remains awesome.


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