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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian15 Oct 2020 5:03 p.m. PST

In 1987, Soviet Victor III submarines reportedly reached the U.S. East Coast undetected. In 2019, Moscow may have tried to repeat that perceived success in Operation Grom.

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arealdeadone15 Oct 2020 5:20 p.m. PST

Given how much anti submarine assets have shrunk in terms of ships, submarines and aircraft, this should be easier to achieve these days.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP15 Oct 2020 11:24 p.m. PST

Ha, ha, ha, thanks for the laugh Bill.

Great propaganda by the Russians.

What they don't know, might hurt them, especially IF they don't know that we know they're there.

Of course, perhaps they really did pull it off, and if so, big whup, since it's a useless gesture unless they actually attack.

In the latter case, I suspect we'll have enough nukes survive to "really make their day".

That's make Dirty Harry seem like a mere amateur boy scout by comparison.

15mm and 28mm Fanatik16 Oct 2020 7:26 a.m. PST

Interesting. Maybe this'll put to rest all the nonsense from those thinking that Russia can be an ally against China.

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Legion 416 Oct 2020 7:56 a.m. PST

Both old Cold War adversaries continue to be such. And we have to remember that. The "Kumbaya" moment was short lived and now long over …

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2020 8:47 a.m. PST

I'm sure we never did anything like that off the Russian coast

Legion 417 Oct 2020 10:35 a.m. PST

I'm pretty sure we did along a few other NATO members as well. That has been the nature of the situation since after WWII.

Great propaganda by the Russians.
Could very well be true. Basically when you hear something like this from Russia and/or the CCP. I tend to be a little doubtful. But still should looked into by the numerous intel, etc., agencies we have.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP17 Oct 2020 10:18 p.m. PST

Ah well, a missed opportunity to let the Germans finish off the Russians, before defeating the former in turn.

That could have save trillions over the last 75 years.

Strategic blunders happen.

USAFpilot18 Oct 2020 6:39 a.m. PST

The ultimate irony of the Cold War is that even though the West won and communism failed, communistic ideas are taking root like never before in America whereas capitalism has been growing in Russia since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Legion 418 Oct 2020 7:46 a.m. PST

Ah well, a missed opportunity to let the Germans finish off the Russians, before defeating the former in turn.
If only …


irony of the Cold War is that even though the West won and communism failed, communistic ideas are taking root like never before in America
Yes and many don't get that some of those who live in USA are pushing that agenda ! [Names withheld to keep me out of the Dawg Haus !!! 🐶]


never before in America whereas capitalism has been growing in Russia since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Well the certainly understand how corruption can work with capitalism.

15mm and 28mm Fanatik18 Oct 2020 3:31 p.m. PST

a missed opportunity to let the Germans finish off the Russians, before defeating the former in turn.

Russia would have defeated Nazi Germany anyway without the west opening a second front with Operation Overlord. It would have taken a year longer and cost more Russian lives, but the outcome was never in doubt by late 1943.

Had the western powers not opened a second front, all of Germany would have been part of the Soviet empire after WW2, not just the eastern part.

communistic ideas are taking root like never before in America

If by "communistic ideas" you mean concepts like universal health care and minimum "living wage," they've been part and parcel of European democracies for many decades. Most if not all EU nations are socialist democracies.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP18 Oct 2020 10:13 p.m. PST

That irony is not lost on me, and many should be able to figure that out, but they seem to be having difficulty with all the propaganda now being spewed out.

I guess we'll know in 2 – 4, 8(?) weeks.

If we and the Brits hadn't provided the Russians with any aid, and second and third fronts, not to mention the bomber campaigns, I suspect the Soviet Union might have had a very tough time winning, back in the day. We provided them with an enormous amount of aid and assistance throughout most of the war, not just the last year or two.

Legion 419 Oct 2020 7:39 a.m. PST

If by "communistic ideas" you mean concepts like universal health care and minimum "living wage," they've been part and parcel of European democracies for many decades. Most if not all EU nations are socialist democracies.
Not going to talk politics …

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