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AJT196729 Jun 2020 5:07 a.m. PST

Hello folks,
I've tried search here and very little turned up so I'm going to ask the question again and see if anything fresh appears.

I'm looking for a source for standards for some Bavarian units during 1870, ideally 15/28mm or a publication which I can copy from for some 15mm stuff I busy painting.

Specifically -
2nd Chevauleger Regiment
1st Infantry Regiment
5th Infantry Regiment
7th Infantry Regiment
9th Infantry Regiment
11th Infantry Regiment
14th Infantry Regiment
5th/6th & 10th Jager Battalions

Thanks in advance

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP29 Jun 2020 8:05 a.m. PST

The two jager battalions would not have carried any colors and I doubt that the light cavalry regiment did either (none are mentioned in the Osprey on Prussia's German allies). Although I have no idea of the accuracy, here is what is on Warflag -- link . You can resize these as you need.

The Osprey Men-at-Arms 422 German Armies: 1870-71 (2), Prussia's Allies" states that the Bavarian infantry colors were the 1841 pattern (which is what Warflag shows): square white field with light blue corner wedges, center of Bavarian coat-of-arms surrounded by green wreaths. The crowned monograms were those of the different kings: 1841-48 'L' (Ludwig I),; 1848-64 'M' (Maximilian II); and 1864 'L' (Ludwig II). All staffs were black and about 2 meters long, with gilt finials in the shape of a sitting lion. Two battalions carried older flags: I Bn, IR 5 – white field, in the center a mantled and crowned red shield with two crowned lions; and I Bn, IR 13: White and light blue lozenges; in the center the mantled electoral coat-of-arms and one lion. The staffs of these two battalions had gilt spearhead finials. Note: To me, this means that each line battalion carried a flag.

Hope this has helped.

Jim

Nichts29 Jun 2020 10:21 a.m. PST

Jim has nailed it! The Chevaulegers did not carry their standards in 1870-71. The jägers had no flags. Each infantry battalion did carry a flag, and he has identified the only two non 1841 types. I can, however add one bit of information, which battalions carried the M monogram, and which the L.

1st IR Btns 1,2 M, Btn 3, L
5th IR Btns 2,3 L
7th IR Btns 1,2,3 L
9th IR Btns 1,2,3 L
11th IR Btns 1,2 M, Btn 3 L
14th IR Btns 1,2 M, Btn 3 L

Maverick Models have some of these flags, and will resize to your specifications. Pendraken do them all in 10mm.

Good luck!

Dicymick29 Jun 2020 10:48 a.m. PST
AJT196730 Jun 2020 3:47 a.m. PST

Thank you chaps, most appreciated.

To clarify further, apart from the monogram are there any other features on the standard that identified the individual Regiment, i.e the Regimental number.

How many standards did a Regiment carry, I notice there are two versions of the 1813 Standard -

Bavarian Line 1813, Leibfahne (Checked Regimentsfahne)

Bavarian Line 1813 Leibfahne (plain white Leibfahne w/ crest)

Jim's reply states that the 5IR had the plain white standard and IR13 the blue/white lozenge.

Why are there two variations of the 1813 Standard?

A change of facing colours and I can have two units with standards at least…..

Thanks chaps

Nichts30 Jun 2020 5:52 a.m. PST

Hi again, and thanks for stimulating me to go back to my sources! There are no other features on the M1841 flags which would differentiate the regiments. As shown in my last post, each regiment had three flags, one per battalion. The answer to your question regarding IR5 and IR13 is not straightforward. They are in fact different models of flag. IR5 is a model 1803 flag, which was finally replaced in 1872 as beyond repair. The IR13 flag was a model 1813 flag, originally on a white field. By 1851 it was in such a state of decay the regiment received permission to repair it. Five officers' wives removed the embroidered ‘wappenmantels' from the decayed field, and stitched them onto another sheet. ‘This was, in error, an old lozenge flag, not a white one, and hence the unique appearance of this flag dates from 1851!

NapStein30 Jun 2020 2:05 p.m. PST

There was a discussion about flags (and standards) here: TMP link … I added some images to show the different flag styles.

Greetings from Berlin
Markus Stein

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