"Please stop please" Topic

I have now had 3 e mails asking me to justify to them personally why I advertise on TMP.
In addition , if I do advertise on TMP I am a racist, bigot and bully by association.

If you hate Peter Pig so much then that is fine I suppose?
Just don't buy the products and we will go away and not exist any more.

As the "chief" here at PP i make a total about £3,000.00 GBP ($4500)profit per year. I collect no dividends or make any pension contributions. I am not the enemy of wargaming, honest.

May I please ask that whomever is orchestrating this hate campaign against us please stop ( i did ask nicely).

martin

martin

Just exactly what the fudge is a'goin on 'round here?

I have always believed Peter Pig to be the gold standard in terms of products,customer service and public relations and will continue to do so until hell freezes over. Trying to drag Mr G as collateral into an entirely separate matter unrelated to him or his business is pathetic grandstanding.

Just exactly what the fudge is a'goin on 'round here?

I believe that someone figured something out. And the real world is leaking into our hobby.

There is a faction in the world that has figured out that you can use Social Media (in all it's forms) as a pulpit to accuse.

Accuse of whatever you want.

It works like this: you make your private accusation. If your target doesn't comply to your demands, you make your accusations public. And since this is the anonymous internet, you can say whatever you want. And they quite often accuse the target of doing EXACTLY what they themselves are doing.

Let's look at this example above. MG has been informed that they must stop advertising here or they are blah, blah, BULLY by association. But isn't the person who is making the demand actually Bulling MG themselves?

I mean let's face it. "Do as I say or we will make your life Hell", has suddenly become popular. Accuse someone of doing exactly what you are doing. But do it first.

An age old tactic that has recently coming roaring to the mainstream in all facets of life.

Martin, please make your business decisions your own, and don't let the real Bullies push you around.

Just my 2cp.

Dave

Hang in there…it;s a ugly world right now..

I wonder if any other advertisers have been targeted or if someone is just taking a pop at PP for whatever dumb reason? I take it these are anonymous emails from a cowardly bully?

No idea what can be termed as racist, bigotry or bullying on TMP – perhaps it's someone who has been banned from TMP?

Sorry to hear that Martin – sounds terrible

Maybe I've missed summat, but what bullying and why ? I've never seen a problem ????

Sorry to hear it Martin. I'm surprised it took this long. Probably the same type of people who want to remove a statue of Abraham Lincoln that was financed by freed slaves and dedicated by Frederick Douglas and Ulysses Grant.

Is this all to do with the whole rules crap that is going on?

It's not just you Martin, it's everyone who advertises here.

Huh. First I've heard of this. Should I be offended that no one has targeted me yet?

I feel re-assured, thank you for the support.
Maybe this too will pass?

Better sell some more stuff before the police come to pick me up! My multiple sins have found me out.

If you don't hear from me, then I am undergoing re-education.

martin
Scott…SHHH .. just keep your head down. They will get you now.

Don't forget to repent for your thought crimes; past, present and future.

As you can see here – TMP link – Too Fat Lardies has launched a campaign to persuade all advertisers and members to abandon TMP.

Give in to the mob or die.

Hi Martin
A saying in my place of work is "everyone is an a@@ until proven otherwise "
Been here employed in same place 30 years and it proves itself again and again……
Keep your head up and the centrifuge spinning!!

Great guy and awesome figures…

Btw if any of the haters are reading this…….

I couldn't care less about your opinion!!
Best regards
John

Too Fat Lardies ---I believe that this is Again--- I gave up on their site many years ago for the exact reasons they are finger wagging at TMP

Not very Nice---then again what else is cancel culture

Play with good grace and add to the hobby.
You've done that Martin- great variety of figures. Well modelled for the robust wargamer ( one that does not like to stick separate back banners onto their Ashigaru ).

Keep calm and make miniatures, Mr. Goddard. Resist the bullies who somehow feel it's OK to threaten others for their own ends!

Some people should have their keyboards taken away until they grow up and can play nice with others.

Sorry to see this, Martin. Hang in there. The mob will eventually pass.

Love PP figs!
Thank you for all the hard work, Martin!

maybe I should start advertising too… although I don't have anything to sell, I enjoy annoying those that get annoyed by small things like this!

Chris

Shocked at reading this. All my sympathy, Martin.

I have been reading the exchange of posts the last few days. With all that has been happening in the real world my mind is ready to try and tak some sense into people. My mind has come up with some pretty good arguments against many of them. But I also realise that it would be just waste of breath since too many people are set in how right they are.

Then I thought about my last 4 days, I have sat tied up to a machine which is taking stem cells out of my blood. Next Thursday they will be put back into me, to try and tame my multple myloma( a rare cancer). I have seen hundreds of people going into the hospital as I entered and left every day. Most are fighting for their lives. They are old and young, in fact the building next to mine was a childrens hospital. It puts shame how we are so wrapped up in our little problems and worries about money and proving how right our opinions are.

Those of you who are being bullied I hope for you success in fighting it.

Thanks for your comment, ecaminis.

According to the mob, the entire problem is capitalism. I shouldn't be allowed to own a website. I shouldn't be able to make the rules. The mob should control what we are allowed to talk about. Opinions the mob does not like are "vile". And any nude figures must be suppressed.

The real shame is that if Too Fat Lardies succeeds in this campaign to drive away member support and advertising support, it will be our Third World employees who will suffer.

Very sorry to hear this, Martin! You certainly don't deserve this. There are some weird people out here and the internet is a real boon for them to let the world know how powerful they are on their keyboard. POW, POW. "Take that, POW, POW. Now you will be sorry you offended me. POW, POW. Come back and I'll give you some more." "Now I feel better. I'll go upstairs and get a soda and bring it down here in the basement. Mommy won't mind."

@Hal

My take on this has always been, "Dial it back a little, substitute regular soda for the Code Red, log back onto World of Warcraft and holler up to mom to ask her to do you up some Hot Pockets." It'll be all right.

Just had another E mail!

It seems that Richard and the Lardies have set their "attack dogs" upon me.
I feel i have enough support from you chaps to support me in protecting myself.

Thus I ask here publicly if Richard will call off his "attack dogs" from all traders, not just Peter Pig.
Maybe he can call a truce here?
Surely we can consign this to a "falling out" rather than a need to destroy businesses?

Typed in hope.

martin

Sorry to hear that, Martin, absolutely ridiculous. I recently received my order and am working on getting them painted up, let me look around and see if I don't 'need' to place another order ;)

I don't mean to sound naïve and/or ignorant, but are we sure this is really Too Fat Lardies' doing? I'd always held them in high regard and it certainly seems a bit out of character.

V/R,
Jack

I do need some PP stuff, time to sort it out this weekend. Best way to show my support, I think. Sorry to see all this BS.

Hmmmm, this seems like a very good reason and time for me to mossy on over to the Peter Pig site and buy a few things! Thank you all, I likely never would have done so before!

Well said ecominis! It's time that everybody gets their priorities straight in this crazy world. And Martin I am disgusted at the crap that you are having to deal with. Please hang in their guys.

Kevin

Martin, are you sure the e-mails are coming from the Lardies ?
Whilst they may have a grievance with TMP this seems to be going way over the top.
Could it be some random internet troll looking to stir up trouble ? There are some sad, strange folk out there.
Keep safe, keep well and keep casting those fantastic minis.

It does sound out of character doesn't it?
Unless I am very wrong it seems that Richard has asked his followers to do this to any and all traders who use TMP. The Emails do directly refer to the racism, bigotry and bullying directed at their masters.
Couple of the e mails are from customers we know and have had previous good relations with (I think).
Maybe someone in the know can shed some light on when this "event" will end?

Not to worry though. It's like being at Rorkes's Drift; and just like that I think it will all die down in a day or so. I am sure that Richard is not bent on Peter Pig's destruction and will rein in his "dogs of war" soon???

Besides it is the weekend soon and that might throw up some other activity for those folk?

martin

Similar to what happened at the Frothers site years ago when I felt I should block their rants.

Hang in there Martin. Keep an eye out for an order for pdf rules shortly.

I promise to follow the directions. 😉

You are not the only advertiser here being effected by not even being involved Martin G, hang in there, you are not alone. And I personally still haven't even seen what all the fuss is actually about! I must need to dig deeper into the forums?

Very sorry to read about this Martin.

It is ridiculous.

A pity that some see feel the need to have to bully others. Frequently, they claim to be "anti-fascist" when adopting their tactics AND behaving just like them.

Ignore the loons and hopefully the silliness will blow over soon.

Enjoy the miniatures, rules and support at Peter Pig. However I might feel about TMP does not detract in any way from how I feel about you or your company – and many of the other advertisers here too. I do not like the extremely confrontational and public way the Editor has stirred up issues with his policies and response to those that don't follow them – usually handled better on other sites. Your advertising money can be spent where you choose; but I am wary of coming here anymore as I see even normal punters being subjected to unnecessary badgering. I have your website bookmarked – thanks for all the great products and miniatures you produce! I don't support this site financially anyway. Was here back in the late 90's early 2000 and thought I had struck 28K dial up gold. Definitely don't have that feeling anymore. Regret it each time I come back. I and most likely will leave it – not out of defiance or protest but just too much drama mostly initiated by the Editor himself. I am sure I echo many people's sentiments. In fairness, the ad rates here seem very, very reasonable so I don't think, even with the loss of some readers, you are out much or should re-consider your business decisions based on others badgering you which I find just as objectionable.

I do not like the extremely confrontational and public way the Editor has stirred up issues with his policies and response to those that don't follow them – usually handled better on other sites.

I don't get how I'm the one to be blamed, here.

TMP got swarmed by TFL fans, and we resisted. I didn't make the initial announcement – someone asked on the forum, and I explained what the situation was.

Then, when TFL went public on their FB account, we responded from our own FB feed – without even mentioning TFL, just explaining what the problem was.

Now, they're trying to drive off our advertisers because we won't cave to their demands. Lost a few advertisers today. It's truly a wicked thing these people are doing, because it could cost someone their desperately needed job in the Third World.

Martin, I want you to know I've had nothing but good experiences dealing with you and your business. I will continue to purchase your figures as occasion and need arise.

While it might or might not be relevant to this issue, I do have to say that the proprietors of TFL have been rude and ignorant towards me in discussions here in the past and I refuse to even look at or play their rules in any setting as a result. I have seen them treat others the same. I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of their smear campaign, but I can't say one way or the other.

for those of you with facebook accounts, I've been calling out Richard Clarke on his behaviour for a few hours now and the mental gymnastics of the man are beyond belief.

Martin, this is why you are being called a racist and bigot, look for thr thread that starts from Ludo Eksel

link

Yep, PP is a class act, and produces very nice products.

I will place another order as soon as I sort out what I want from your various ranges, as a show of support.

I have some of your AK-47 minis and rules, as well as numerous versions of your pirate rules, vessels, etc., and even some of your WWII minis as well.

Resist the bullies.

So just so I understand this situation. TFL is upset that TMP is a haven for bullying that reflects badly on our hobby…and his answer is to get his mates to bully traders into withdrawing support from TMP…

I was just settling down.
Then another one. This time from Denis.
Enough of this please.
If you don't like me that is fine.
But please stop e mailing me about it.

STOP THIS HARASSMENT PLEASE PLEASE Please Please Please Please Please Please Richard. Call the dogs off.

Is my only way out to stop advertising with TMP?
What else must I do to be left alone.
What If I promise to not post any Product announcements then we would have the same front page advertising exposure on TMP?
I will also promise not to be any of the bad things I am accused of if that helps too.
Speak.

We seem to have now lost 3 customers. How many is enough? Is that just the start of the campaign?

martin

In this day and age bullying and racism are the new "you are a witch"

You can not disprove it. So who will TFL chose to dislike next?

Like their rules do no like their attitude.

Martin I have been a customer and will remain one

What actually is the problem?
I got tons of spam to my e-mail and I clear this every day.

Over the last few hours I've been ploughing into Big Rich…
That guy should go into politics, lots of words but nothing that makes sense…

"What do you want me to say?"

Go on toofatlardies FB page and say you don't condone people mailing companies they are racists and bigots for supporting TMP, to make up for "Thanks to everyone who is asking wargaming companies about the appropriateness of the sites they advertise on. "

"I didn't ask them to say they are racists and bigots, you quoting me proves that"

Yeah, they just got that idea all by themselves…

Well, anyway, the money I had set aside to buy to add it to my pile of unplayed rulesets somehow turned into a supporting membership. I was told I would feel right at home in this hive of scum and villainy…
start cantina band tune…

Martin,

I can say that after the first imbroglio between TFL and Bill earlier in the week, I felt that Bill was unreasonable or obtuse by not understanding their question. As a result, I was going to buy . However looking at this thread and the FB thread (which is interesting as an non FB user), I will not go ahead with that purchase, nor am I inclined to purchase from TFL again though I have a couple of their sets of rules already. I have the figures for that era ready, but I will stay with Clash of Spears only. That being said, my next 15mm purchase will be from you. It won't be this week, but you have my support and my next purchase. I am sorry that you have to go through this.

Jeff