"Standees Don't Count" Topic

You were asked to decide – TMP link

Does a small figurine which consists of a 2D paper image and a plastic stand, or a self-standing paper figurine, known as a standee, count as a miniature?

50% said "no, it does not count as a mini"
38% said "yes, it counts as a mini"

Rubbish!!!
Of course they do.

What's next? Hologram miniatures?

Not holograms, VR minis.

Of course that's my emperors new unit on your flank

Can't you see their fantastic uniforms gleaming so brightly

Gosh Darn those Emperors New Troops…

Fools! You're all fools!

Who cares. It's a game, so if people enjoy paper then it's fine. If your friends act like 12 year olds and get on your butt about it, find new friends. They're not really your friends.

+1, Mister Tibbles. Cheers!

Metal miniatures are such a fad. :)

This is silly. Some of the paper flats these days are getting really nice. I even have a few, though haven't gamed with them.

I have nothing against paper or cardboard minis. I actually consider my 'Heroes of Normandie' (and the new 'Heroes of Stalingrad') counters minis because they're great artwork with shading. Kind of like a stand of nicely painted FOW infantry or individual vehicles viewed from the top.

I have always considered forward projecting visually solid coloured Holograms on thin bases or even invisible bases the Holy Grail of wargaming. Unfortunately we are not there yet. In the meantime I have used a mix of Flats and 3D and found it perfectly acceptable.

Roll on Printed full colour laser cut 2D figures I would go for them now, in may ways better than my own 3D prited figures as there is no painting.

So yes flats are Perfectly acceptable for wargaming. If I were to start older period gaming again (Romans civil war etc.) Flats would be my go to solution I think, even without laser cutting.

So was Chewbacca playing a miniatures game on the Millennium Falcon?

They definitely don't.

A paper image is 2D.

A miniature is 3D.

Neither of those facts have anything to do with someone who might look sideways at any of those choices.

Both are perfectly acceptable, but a paper image is not a miniature.

So let's just agree to call them all, "Toy Soldiers". Toys because we "play games" with them and "Soldiers" becuase in our vernacular, it covers all periods, affiliated equipment and even scenery.(Remeber "punch-out" books in the 1960's? Those who might be that old misght also remember how mych fun we could have for that 49 cent book! Aftewrall, it's "fun" we are after, right?

What about meeples? Do they count as minis?

What was the outcome of the 'the Earth is flat' poll?

Just asking.

Phil

> What was the outcome of the 'the Earth is flat' poll?

I don't know but I did see the Flat Earth Society mention is had members all around the globe…

WOW, I was at Hammerhead yesterday and one of the games used the new printed flats at 28MM. I was blown away by the spectacle, you really could notsee the difference from 45 degrees either side of the flat face. They look quite good in photos but strangely the photos do not do them justice. To be honest were I to start ancients again there would seem little point in the hassle of miniatures the flats were so good. Even better a German company are doing the same figures printed onto clear "Perspex" and laser cut absolutely awesome. This may be the way to go with war games. If they did that for 12mm modern infantry I would dump a lot of my current infantry for the laser cut version so much less hassle with no drawbacks.

Me: "A'ight, boys! Riiiiiiiight face!"
Enemy: "Where'd they go?!??!?!!"

Isn't camouflage Great! It work a treat on a wargames table and no rules required, win win I say!

Obviously I am biased in favor of paper miniatures, but I am rather stunned by the level of prejudice against them. Why don't they qualify? Just because if you look at them from a certain angle they don't look like the real thing? Well what about 2mm and 3mm figures? Unless you are looking at them with a magnifying glass they don't look like the real thing either, but I would never claim they aren't miniatures. I can fully understand that paper miniatures don't appeal to a lot of people. That's fine. But to claim they aren't miniatures at all, well…

+1 ScottWashburn, It's not like lead minatures are perfect scale models, most have unrealistic scale features and some won't even fit in a similar caled vehicle: so really they are not without fault.