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Tango0107 Sep 2019 3:49 p.m. PST

"Most of the time the only way to get soldiers to where you wanted them was to march them there, and Napoleon took his soldiers further than most during his years as leader of the French, from Portugal to Russia, the Netherlands to Egypt. As in any army there were several forms of march depending on the circumstances, but for movement between distant places the route pace was adopted, where the men marched at about 90 paces per minute, carrying their muskets sloped over either shoulder, and not required to keep step with each other. This was the most informal method, which meant it could be maintained over long distances, and could more easily accommodate obstacles and variations in the path. While the men might be smartened up when passing through a town, route pace was how they would normally be seen in the countryside, and how they are seen here.

As is common with Strelets, although the men are all doing much the same thing, we are treated to a broad range of poses to make the overall effect seem more natural. Every man has his musket on his left shoulder, and his left foot forward, so there is less variation than there should be, but all the poses differ in many small ways, and most are quite believable. Having said that, the first and last figures in our top row are looking toward us rather than ahead, and the second one does not give the impression of moving forward at all. The last figure in the second row holds his musket tipped forward, and again is not looking where he is going, which makes for a very strange marching pose. The flag-bearer pose is reasonable, but we must ask why his flag is unfurled. While modern films love to show flags flying high while on the march, in reality the flag would be cased to protect it most of the time. The drummer has chosen perhaps the most uncomfortable and awkward way to carry his drum, and so is highly unlikely. He has merely rested his drum sideways on his pack, and holds it by its carrying straps on one side. How this does not slip off we do not know, but in reality it would be carried upright with the straps round the shoulders, making it much more comfortable, better balanced and safe from mishap. The next man (perhaps an NCO) seems to be standing, and holds his fist up in the air for no obvious reason. Finally the officer has his sword drawn and rests the hilt on his shoulder. Again the question is why. This does not seem like a very comfortable position, and why is his sword drawn in the first place?…"




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Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP07 Sep 2019 5:12 p.m. PST

Test for new rules? ;-)

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP08 Sep 2019 2:49 a.m. PST


Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP08 Sep 2019 2:55 a.m. PST

This should pass the test. What Tango has done is given us a link to that superb website that does offer really authoritative reviews of the figures, pros and cons.

What we can no longer do is simply say "Hey, guess what?" Strelets have released Waterford Light Infantry on the march, with a photo of the box cover.

TMP link

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Sep 2019 4:02 a.m. PST

But are Strelets an registered advertiser here?

If not, we are not allowed to promote her with review.

And if it is, then such promoting are allowed only on Hobby News section. Even Strelets himself cannot talk about his sets or show photos here in Forums, even as advertiser.

I understand this way. As Bill says: "If you … promote the commercial interests of a non-advertising company, then please don't do it."
Any comments and review about miniatures are promotion of commercial interest of producers these miniatures.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP08 Sep 2019 5:33 a.m. PST

What is posted here is a review of the quality of these figures, by an independent assessor (on a superb site).

That is allowed.

If you painted them and want to show them, that is allowed.

At least that is my understanding. But it has had very limited publicity, has this new policy.

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Sep 2019 6:27 a.m. PST

I readed out one possible exception from Bill's explanation.
I explained this on topic in your link.

Non-advertisers may comment advertisers production. May be.
So you may show up your paintings only if these are figures from advertising producers and you are not this producer.

If independent assessor on a superb site and producer of reviewed products both are not advertisers in TMP, then such post from Tango01 is not allowed.

Pauls Bods08 Sep 2019 6:32 a.m. PST

?? So if say, I dabbed some paint on the above figs, each pose as shown above, put a pic of them here and gave the post the titel, "French Line Infantry on the March – Strelets"..I would be in breach of the rule, as technicaly, Iīm Advertising them?
Does this;
TMP link
Count as Advertising? If not, and someone who didnīt know what scale or make they were, asked…and I, or another told them..would that Count as Advertising or informing?

PS.I hadnīt heard of the rule Change. Thanks for heading it up Liam

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Sep 2019 6:52 a.m. PST

Difficult situation, Paul. If Strelets is advertiser on TMP, then you probably may do this post. But you can't link to your homepage anyway, this will be promoting your page. But some another guy (not Strelets) may give this link instead of you, if you are advertiser in TMP.
Then all will be correct juridically.

Pauls Bods08 Sep 2019 7:15 a.m. PST

As far as I know, Strelets doesnīt advertise here and as it has itīs own forum, I doubt it would.
Theoretically, any links outside of TMP could be considered as Advertising and that would make the Blogs of war section, along with a few other sections, overwhelmingly null and void?
If thatīs the case, then TMP could become a theatre in which the Membership will be an audience Looking at stuff promoted by a handfull of advertisers who have Paid to do do so and ignorant of everything else.

Apologies if this discussion Counts as thread highjacking

arthur181508 Sep 2019 9:32 a.m. PST

Why bother having boards entitled '…. Product Reviews' if we cannot share our opinions of wargames figures, scenic items &c.?

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP08 Sep 2019 10:05 a.m. PST

Do not worry about thread hijacking.

This really needs discussing.

What has been lacking here has been communication. Totally!

How often is that the case when things go wrong in big business?

Such discussions keep being deleted and getting moved back to TMP Talk. This one may yet be.

The Editor's argument is that our opinions are in fact just what will actually be allowed. Perrys' new Waterford Light Infantry in their undergarments is newly released by Perrys…banned.

"My opinion is that 95% of Waterford men dress to the right in their undergarments" is now an opinion. Ah, I have added content. These chaps are not correctly turned out.

I can see the argument, even if I equally see the downside. We can share opinions. What is tricky is how to to get the discussion going in the first place, if never posted?

I think this is an…..error.. Bit like the line in Indiana Jones and choosing "Unwisely". But…

"I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken."

I know my Mom would have forgiven me for quoting the Divil (sic) himself, but if you are Irish you may understand the risk I took in doing so.

Pauls Bods08 Sep 2019 10:55 a.m. PST

If it does get moved then it would have to be moved in its entirety…my referring to the "above" would look a wee bit odd without the top post, which, as far as I can deduce, could be seen as Advertising (?)..the link does Show who made the figures so…Advertising wether the Reviewer made them or sells them or not. Advertising by Proxy(?)
I can see the reasoning behind having only manufacturers etc Show thier stuff and advertise it but it would be a poorer place* if itīs only thier stuff getting headed up and probably lead to a lot of People drifting away.

IMHO, some definate direction Needs to be given to what is or is not Advertising and that so everyone or at least the majority get to see it before the rules are unintentionally broken and People get Doghoused or whatever. I donīt generally look on the Chat section as I donīt have time.

*No Intention to say their stuff is in anyway poor.

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Sep 2019 4:13 p.m. PST

So nobody are not allowed to talk about miniatures, as this is promoting.
But loophole allow us to talk about miniatures, whose producer is advertiser.
So I looked at list of napoleonic miniature advertisers on TMP and there was only one name – Baccus. Wich mean that Baccus cannot talk here on Forums but we are allowed to talk only about Baccus miniatures.

I am Estonian, we are famous as followers dumb Russian laws with German accuracy. If there are confusion in laws, we do nothing useful but only talking about laws and try to find loopholes. That is the situation here in TMP now, law is unclear. And only thing about what we are allowed to talk is new policy, covered with Fog of War.

Tango0108 Sep 2019 4:51 p.m. PST

This is getting worse each day…….


Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Sep 2019 6:53 a.m. PST

Do you have any new information, Tango01?
There are full silence in TMP Talk..

Tango0109 Sep 2019 12:01 p.m. PST

Enough bad info to me…

By the way… what about those nice little soldiers?


Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Sep 2019 12:13 p.m. PST

We cannot talk about them, Strelets is not advertiser here.

But we may talk about Baccus figures.
And you may talk about my figures, because I registered as advertiser.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 2:10 a.m. PST

Again I do not want to play "Devil's Advocate" for what I think is a mistake.

But you are indeed allowed to talk about them. Actually Sho Boki may not be able to post here that he has just released Waterford Light Dragoons, but a third party can. But it must be more than that. There must be added content and some kind of a review. What is good, what is bad, what is missing or ingenious and novel, how they compare with similar ranges.

That is not unreasonable. The snag is, if we do not know he has released new Irish Cavalry, how can we…etc?

Pauls Bods10 Sep 2019 2:36 a.m. PST

Iīm more than a Little confused at the Moment. Iīve read through both the other threads concerning this and wether itīs me or the explanations but I donīt understand who can Show or talk About what.
TBH, until itīs cleared up, I will visit but not post anything (pic wise containing a product) that may contravene any rules and as I donīt know what would contravene a rule, that means…?..Posting Nothing?

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 2:39 a.m. PST

I wrote to Bill, that I will continue to share my sculpting efforts (promote my ego) here in Forums. It will be silly to ask about uniform details in Hobby News section.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 8:09 a.m. PST

Fear not. I think very few people even know about the policy change, let alone understand it fully.

That is what is so odd, the failure of communication, not the decision itself. I regret the latter, but can see the point, if it really did lead to "added value" in posting about new figures.

I always beat Tango to new Perry figures as the sunrise ensured I was up and about while he was across the Atlantic in the Realms of Morpheus. I would put up a few pics from their website and said we suddenly have Swedish Balloon crew from the Napoloeonic wars, but had never seen the real figures and could hardly comment. I could see that might be argued to be advertising by proxy.

Banned; "I/they have just released Napoleonic figures" posted on that Message Board series, whether an advertiser or not.

Allowed; "I have just painted up their new figures. Hope you like them" or "I have just purchased these new figures and here is what I think of them. Novelty, quality, accuracy, comparison with existing from other makers"

The latter is far better, but a real rarity

von Winterfeldt10 Sep 2019 9:09 a.m. PST

I see it like this, you are a producer and produced a new line of miniatures, you put them in hobby news, that makes sense, then we can discuss them in the forum.

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 9:29 a.m. PST

Yes, this is obvious.
But if you show all your production stages, ask advices, and do this whole year.. before you have produced product ready.

Pauls Bods10 Sep 2019 10:02 a.m. PST

So the latter is allowed? I can paint and Show!!!?:-)
Can I Name them?

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 10:22 a.m. PST

Deadhead want to think, that the latter is allowed. :-)
Yes, you may paint and show, but tell nothing about producer, if producer is not registered advertiser here.

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 10:29 a.m. PST

Here is private property not democracy.
So all what are not clearly allowed is forbidden. ;-)

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 12:49 p.m. PST

The whole snag is that we have not been told.

Until I posted something on the Napoleonic Forum, none of us knew about this. As you know, this was, overnight, deleted and moved to TMP Talk, where the original message appeared, unnoticed by most, as it, like Hobby News, is not the most popular form for many of us.

This is not a democratic forum. That I fully understand and accept. It is the Editor's, that has always been clear. We can take that or leave that. We can support it with a small annual sub or not, yet still participate if not.

I want to clarify MY (stress MY) understanding yet again about how you can post about new products. But why should I? I might be wrong.

Why is the editorial staff not responding to any of this?

Why is it always, when anything goes wrong in any organisation, always, always the same complaint?

"We have been sitting here for hours, days, weeks, but no-one has told us a thing"

Lambert Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 1:49 p.m. PST

I agree that the Editor is in charge and he can do what he likes. It's his rules. But we don't have to like them.

Personally, one of the main reasons I visit these boards pretty much every day is to find out what new products are on the market, and Tango, Deadhead and others have provided the very valuable service of posting pictures to save me the bother of looking at all the different firms' websites. On these boards we then discuss whether the uniforms are right or wrong, whether the muskets are too short, the heads too big, the horses too small, etc, etc.

Yes, I see the argument that if you just say "here's some new figs aren't they great", then that's not much different to an advert. However, I don't think manufacturers generally get an easy ride; readers here are every bit as likely to throw rotten tomatoes at a product as give it a gold star.

For me – and this is a purely personal view – if new products aren't posted on the Product Review board then I won't know they exist. I have less reason to visit the site, less reason to contribute and less reason to pay subs. The manufacturer may not be paying to have the product pictured on the site, but I am paying to see it.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2019 1:53 p.m. PST

That is probably the best posting I have seen on this subject, just added by Lambert.

It should appear on the TMP talk, where there is some hope that other period enthusiasts might read it. Stress MIGHT

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Sep 2019 4:15 a.m. PST

I got personal guideline from Bill: "You should now share your sculpting experiments in our Hobby News."

Well.. I will do that. I prepare my usual comment and post this on Hobby News. And then we may comment this post on Forums, as von Winterfeldt suggest. Then all will be legal.

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Sep 2019 4:58 a.m. PST

Hobby News added. Now we wait..

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Sep 2019 6:02 a.m. PST

I copied this Hobby News post here..
TMP Link

So we wait to see how this work and when users can see this and answer. So far nothing happens..

Marc at work12 Sep 2019 4:26 a.m. PST

I don't see "hobby news" – so until someone reviews them here I will never see your work

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Sep 2019 12:10 p.m. PST

Don't worry. After publishing things on Hobby News we are allowed to comment these on Forums as these are not anymore news. Naturally the content of News must be then replicated on Forums, because otherwise you indeed don't see these.
We just lose one working day when editors approve or decline news. Take it as Big Brother Censorship.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.