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von Schwartz31 May 2019 4:58 p.m. PST

I use Project 7 Years War extensively for uniform info as most of my collection was lost in transit. But a few discrepancies and questions have popped up. I know that the Grenzers had their own grenadiers but how were these troops differentiated from regular grenzers, some say bearskins others say brass fronts on their normal shako style headgear, what say you? Oh, and 1 more thing, as regards the line infantry, were grenadiers from German and Hungarian infantry units mixed in the same converged battalions or were they converged into seperate Hungarian or German grenadier battalions?

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2019 1:23 p.m. PST

For the Grenzers the only difference between grenadiers and fusiliers (one grenadier company per battalion, 6 fusilier companies and one sharpshooter company) was that the grenadiers wore bearskins versus the visorless black shako the fusiliers wore

The grenadier companies were pulled from the Grenzer battalions at the start of the war and used in converged grenadier battalions as elite light troops

Good question as to converging Hungarian and German grenadier battalions – don't actually know but the converged grenadier battalions were ad hoc so I think they might have been (I have one converged grenadier battalion with both) but there were 39 German regiments versus 11 Hungarian regiments

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP01 Jun 2019 2:43 p.m. PST

Haven't we had this conversation before? TMP link

von Schwartz01 Jun 2019 6:13 p.m. PST

Yes, Herky you are correct, seems to me we had about 50/50 split, between bearskins and their usual shako style affair. Guess I'm just getting old and perhaps a tad more forgetful. The other bit about the line grenadiers was a bit different though. Keeping me honest! (smile)

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2019 12:20 a.m. PST

In the end, it is you who must decide how to paint your Grenzer!- after all it is YOUR army!
For me, I think they wore the Klobuk with a brass plate in the field, and the bearskin for parade.

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That said, I wonder if they used the bearskin when in converged battalions, to keep conformity?

von Schwartz02 Jun 2019 3:26 p.m. PST

Thank you Herky, the color plates were exactly what I was looking for. I remember seeing those in some of the books I used to have that have since gone the way of the Dodo.

The klobuk would appear to be much more practical for field use, I think the bearskin would be more cumbersome and a bit "clunky". These guys are, afterall, "light" infantry.

mollinary08 Jun 2019 12:45 p.m. PST

Re the merging of German and Hungarian Grenadiers into ad hoc grenadier battalions, I imagine that the Austrians would have taken a very practical approach. Given potential language difficulties they would probably have brigaded the Hungarians together, if there were enough of them. If not, then they would just have coped.

von Schwartz08 Jun 2019 4:37 p.m. PST

Sensible solution, also with more research it appears the SYW Austrians usually deployed their grenadiers by company and did not combine them into ad hoc battalions as frequently as they did in later periods.

mollinary09 Jun 2019 3:18 a.m. PST

Well, they appear in OOBs as combined companies, but they then seem to be task organised into ad hoc battalions (of differing sizes!) for specific tasks.

von Schwartz09 Jun 2019 5:51 a.m. PST

Can't argue that point, the battalion organizations seems to be very fluid though, unlike the Prussians who had more regular grenadier formations.

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