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von Schwartz26 Mar 2019 1:55 p.m. PST

OK, since I have all this combined brainpower of TMP at my fingertips, POWER!!!!!, ah ehm, sorry got a little carried away there. Anyway, my personal and very obscure reference library was gutted during the "Long Drive" from Minnesota to Florida, I am limited to internet and the few obscure tomes that I retained and, of course, kronoskaf project 7 years war. So, what did the grenadier companies of the Grenzers wear on their noggins, bearskins or the shako like the regular grenz companies wore? I know kronoskaf says bearskin, but Greenwood and Ball says the shako, the difference being that the grenadiers had brass front plates and red tops. Which one was it? I don't really find any other handy references that are more specific on this point. Anyone have any further details?

JimDuncanUK26 Mar 2019 2:29 p.m. PST

Grenadier caps with large brass front plate.

Source: Armies and Uniforms of the Seven Years War by James Woods.

No mention of mitre caps.

All other references I can find say bearskin.

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2019 3:11 p.m. PST

I agree no mitre caps. According to Uniforms of the Seven Years War by William Biles, Grenze grenadiers wore the same felt caps(Klobuk) as the other infantry, with the addition of a large brass plate in front.
NB Szluiner used dark fur hats instead of Black felt.

Musketballs26 Mar 2019 3:26 p.m. PST

Hollins MAA413, says bearskins were only worn as parade dress – in the field it was the klobuk.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2019 3:39 p.m. PST

Agreed – I have for some strange reason four regiments of Grenzers in my SWY Austrian army so I looked into their uniforms a while back

Never mitres and while some of the regiments had grenadiers (in theory) in bear-skins in the field the klobuk (black peakless shako) was worn

von Schwartz26 Mar 2019 4:33 p.m. PST

Now THATS what I'm talking about, I love it, everyone puts their brains and nearly limitless references together. Bearskins for parade dress only, shakos/klobuk for field wear, makes sense. Now I know how many more I need to buy.
Thanks to all once again!!
Frederick, 4 regiments, that would be enough for the entire army, 8 battalions, plus grenadiers, sharpshooters, hussars, and battalion guns, WOW!?! You really like them don't you?

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP27 Mar 2019 5:21 p.m. PST

Well – I am fond of the boys from the Military Frontier

Not to mention a nice break from all those white coats!

von Schwartz31 Mar 2019 5:49 a.m. PST

AHH!!!! FREE!!!!

Fresh out of the Dawghause. Funny, we had a number of full fledged long threads on whether or not members swear with nearly 100 Comments, and I let one little Bleeped text-ingheimer slip and get slammed in the hoosegow. As I frequently say, "C'est la guerre."

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP31 Mar 2019 10:01 a.m. PST

Yep, Life is a minefield! Step carefully, friend!

von Schwartz31 Mar 2019 3:51 p.m. PST

Especially in my backyard what with the dogs and all.

I still can't believe that they "bleeped" the F.

BTW, that post was put here kinda by mistake, I thought I was in another Message Board. Hey, things like that happen as we get older!

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