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Cacique Caribe Inactive Member11 Jul 2018 8:20 p.m. PST

I'm sure some of you antiquities junkies must know who has opened the ark this time?

Or is this something else entirely?

Inquiring minds want to know. Well, mine.

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Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2018 9:00 p.m. PST

Thor loses Mjolnir again?

Oberlindes Sol LIC12 Jul 2018 12:17 a.m. PST

Could it be that the ark is in the newly-discovered oversized stone sarcophagus recently found undisturbed in Egypt?


Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Jul 2018 3:28 a.m. PST

Regular phenomena, amazingly captured.


Does lightning strike from the sky down, or the ground up?

The answer is both. Cloud-to-ground lightning comes from the sky down, but the part you see comes from the ground up. A typical cloud-to-ground flash lowers a path of negative electricity (that we cannot see) towards the ground in a series of spurts. Objects on the ground generally have a positive charge. Since opposites attract, an upward streamer is sent out from the object about to be struck. When these two paths meet, a return stroke zips back up to the sky. It is the return stroke that produces the visible flash, but it all happens so fast – in about one-millionth of a second – so the human eye doesn't see the actual formation of the stroke.

The truth is more boring than fiction.

Personal logo Bowman Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2018 3:43 a.m. PST

The truth is more boring than fiction.

Yes it is, and it's much harder to learn. Therefore, it's easier to make up your own fiction.

Legion 412 Jul 2018 5:58 a.m. PST

It's aliens … again …

Cacique Caribe Inactive Member12 Jul 2018 7:45 p.m. PST

It's always aliens … until someone comes along with a real explanation.

It's funny/sad how people have come to automatically equate the word "unidentified" with aliens or something else paranormal.


Zephyr112 Jul 2018 8:08 p.m. PST

It's a subconscious bias common among most people that our ancient ancestors were not smart enough to do the things they actually did, and therefore somebody else ('aliens') must have done it for them. A thousand years from now people will be saying the exact same things about us, like "No way they were smart enough to invent cell phones and cars. Aliens did it."

p.s. They (in the above link) better not open that black sarcophagus lest they let loose the Scorpion King… ;-)

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Jul 2018 3:40 a.m. PST

It's a subconscious bias common among most people that our ancient ancestors were not smart enough to do the things they actually did, and therefore somebody else ('aliens') must have done it for them.

Modern people also have a hard time fathoming the difference between "it would take too much manpower" and "it would take a lot of manpower". Modern conveniences, social norms/expectations, and the amazing learning opportunities we experience (many people against their will) really skew our viewpoints.

Legion 413 Jul 2018 5:34 a.m. PST

Aliens or the Paranormal/Supernatural … Either … or … both …

IMO – With aliens it's about high tech …

With the Paranormal/Supernatural it's magic and miracles, etc. huh? Of course as many have said, high tech might appear as "magic"/miracles to lower tech species, e.g. us …

But aren't non-human spirits, demons, etc. from another "realm(s)" other than linear/corporeal Earth ? They might just be considered "aliens" as well … huh?

Of course I'm just "swagging" it … never met an alien or spirit/ghost, demon, etc. … AFAIK … laugh

Hell they may not exist at all ! huh?

But after watching those ghost hunter reality shows late at night … I sometime may still sleep with the light on ! huh? laugh wink

wmyers13 Jul 2018 7:23 a.m. PST

For those who asked about where the Ark is/was and what happened to it.

Where is it now?


As to what became of the Ark at the fall of Jerusalem, in 587 B.C., there exist several traditions, one of which has found admittance in the sacred books. In a letter of the Jews of Jerusalem to them that were in Egypt, the following details are given as copied from a writing of Jeremias:

The prophet, being warned by God, commanded that the tabernacle and the ark should accompany him, till he came forth to the mountain where Moses went up and saw the inheritance of God. And when Jeremias came thither he found a hollow cave and he carried in thither the tabernacle and the ark and the altar of incense, and so stopped the door. Then some of them that followed him, came up to mark the place; but they could not find it. And when Jeremias perceived it, he blamed them saying: the place shall be unknown, till God gather together the congregation of the people and receive them to mercy. And then the Lord will shew these things, and the majesty of the Lord shall appear, and there shall be a cloud as it was also shewed to Moses, and he shewed it when Solomon prayed that the place might be sanctified to the great God. (2 Maccabees 2:4-8)

According to many commentators, the letter from which the above-cited lines are supposed to have been copied cannot be regarded as possessing Divine authority; for, as a rule, a citation remains in the Bible what it was outside of the inspired writing; the impossibility of dating the original document makes it very difficult to pass a judgment on its historical reliability. At any rate the tradition which it embodies, going back at least as far as two centuries before the Christian era, cannot be discarded on mere a priori arguments.

The Apocalypse of Esdras

Side by side with this tradition, we find another mentioned in the Apocalypse of Esdras; according to this latter, the Ark of the Covenant was taken by the victorious army that ransacked Jerusalem after having taken it (IV Esd., x, 22). This is certainly most possible, so much the more that we learn from 2 Kings 25 that the Babylonian troops carried away from the temple whatever brass, silver, and gold they could lay their hands upon.

The Talmud

At any rate, either of these traditions is certainly more reliable than that adopted by the redactors of the Talmud, who tell us that the Ark was hidden by King Josias in a most secret place prepared by Solomon in case the temple might be taken and set on fire. It was a common belief among the rabbis of old that it would be found at the coming of the Messias. Be this as it may, this much is unquestionable; namely that the Ark is never mentioned among the appurtenances of the second temple. Had it been preserved there, it would most likely have been now and then alluded to, at least on occasion of such ceremonies as the consecration of the new temple, or the re-establishment of the worship, both after the exile and during the Machabean times. True, the chronicler, who lived in the post-exilian epoch, says of the Ark (2 Chronicles 5:9) that "it was been there unto this day". But it is commonly admitted on good grounds that the writer mentioned made use of, and wove together in his work, without as much as changing one single word of them, narratives belonging to former times. If, as serious commentators admit, the above-recorded passage be one of these "implicit citations", it might be inferred thence that the chronicler probably did not intend to assert the existence of the Ark in the second temple.

The Ark in Catholic tradition

Catholic tradition, led by the Fathers of the Church, has considered the Ark of the Covenant as one of the purest and richest symbols of the realities of the New Law. It signifies, in the first place, the Incarnate Word of God. "Christ himself", says St. Thomas Aquinas, "was signified by the Ark. For in the same manner as the Ark was made of setim wood, so also was the body of Christ composed of the most pure human substance. The Ark was entirely overlaid with gold, because Christ was filled with wisdom and charity, which gold symbolizes. In the Ark there was a golden vase: this represents Jesus' most holy soul containing the fulness of sanctity and the godhead, figured by the manna. There was also Aaron's rod, to indicate the sacerdotal of Jesus Christ priest forever. Finally the stone tables of the Law were likewise contained in the Ark, to mean that Jesus Christ is the author of the Law". To these point touched by the Angel of the Schools, it might be added that the Ascension of Christ to heaven after His victory over death and sin is figured by the coming up of the Ark to Sion. St. Bonaventure has also seen in the Ark a mystical representation of the Holy Eucharist. In like manner the Ark might be very well regarded as a mystical figure of the Blessed Virgin, called by the Church the "Ark of the Covenant" — Faederis Arca.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Jul 2018 8:51 a.m. PST

But aren't non-human spirits, demons, etc. from another "realm(s)" other than linear/corporeal Earth ? They might just be considered "aliens" as well …

Well, "alien" just means "other", so …

Cacique Caribe Inactive Member13 Jul 2018 9:17 a.m. PST

I think the X-Files called them E.B.E.s (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities): :)


PS. And those missions don't always end well:
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Legion 413 Jul 2018 12:44 p.m. PST

Nice synopsis wmyers … Thank you … but it is still MIA … frown Which may be a good thing ?

etotheipi – Well like I said … they should be considered "Aliens" as well then … evil grin

Dan – E.B.Es just does not have the same "ring" as ET, NTI, etc. or even ghost, spirit, demon, etc. huh?

Cacique Caribe Inactive Member13 Jul 2018 1:31 p.m. PST

Legion 4: "E.B.Es just does not have the same ‘ring' as ET, NTI, etc. or even ghost, spirit, demon, etc."

Or even "spooks":

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Legion 416 Jul 2018 3:00 p.m. PST

Flying Monkeys could be aliens or demons or both … evil grin

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Jul 2018 5:07 a.m. PST

Flying monkeys are the IT service people where I work because their boss is the Wicked Witch of the West.

Legion 417 Jul 2018 6:55 a.m. PST

OH MY !!!!! Well at least they aren't HR … evil grin

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