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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse16 May 2018 8:39 p.m. PST

…In The Indian Ocean.

"China is moving to establish a network of naval and air bases in the Indian Ocean to support its growing strategic imperatives in the region. This likely includes plans to build bases in the eastern Indian Ocean, in waters much closer to Australia. Australia cannot afford to play onlooker to these developments.

In July 2017, China opened its first overseas military base in Djibouti, and Beijing is currently in negotiations with Pakistan to establish an additional base at or near Gwadar on the Arabian Sea.

But it will not be enough for China to only have capabilities in the north-west Indian Ocean, far from Australia. China's strategic imperatives, and the Indian Ocean's distance from Chinese territory, mean that Beijing will likely see a need to develop a network of military facilities of various types across the ocean, including in its central/eastern zone…."


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Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2018 10:15 p.m. PST

The logical historical way of every trade power from Athens to the Uk. Need secure the seas and the coasts.
They are the next superpower and keepers.
I will be happy to see how they treat unruly shores compred the the US Empire, not being judeo christian and having a traditional self centered vision of the world. See you in 15 years.

28mm Fanatik17 May 2018 6:10 a.m. PST

I will be happy to see how they treat unruly shores compred the the US Empire, not being judeo christian and having a traditional self centered vision of the world.

No worse than how the judeo-christian Roman Empire treated unruly tribes I would imagine.

But seriously speaking it would mean a foreign policy guided by realpolitik and pragmatism rather than idealpolitik and religion, which fosters an "us-versus-them" mentality and the desire to reshape the world to our own (i.e. western) values.

Cacique Caribe17 May 2018 6:18 a.m. PST

They left out Namibia in the South Atlantic and a couple of others in their "maritime Silk Road" project.


Andrew Walters17 May 2018 8:35 a.m. PST

I expect this is mostly about projecting power to affect smaller players. A US vs China or India vs China or US vs India or Australia vs China all out conflict is unlikely, I think. But if such a thing broke out it would create a really interesting war game map, with the strategic positions intertwingled.

Cacique Caribe17 May 2018 8:55 a.m. PST

This map includes several more of China's, both the ones already built and those in process.

And there's still the tiny little matter of the canal China is still hoping* to build through Nicaragua, which will be much wider than the one in Panama. US media rarely ever covers any of this. Of course the riots and protests in Nicaragua right now might be distracting that government a little right now. :)
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* This was their first (or second?) attempt on the bid:



Walking Sailor17 May 2018 12:25 p.m. PST

Don't forget their attempt to access rights at Lajes Field in The Azores.

Cacique Caribe17 May 2018 12:53 p.m. PST

Good catch! Thanks.

Yes, they definitely have plans for several places in the Atlantic.

PS. And there are other types of facilities too. Here's one of their surveillance stations in the Americas:


Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse18 May 2018 9:32 a.m. PST

There are not foreign military bases in Argentina my friend… not for the moment (smile)


Cacique Caribe18 May 2018 10:18 a.m. PST

Good! That's a relief to hear, my friend.

I was afraid that maybe one of your recent Presidents might have opened the gates to welcome that Trojan Horse, the way other countries keep doing these days.


Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse19 May 2018 10:55 a.m. PST

Yesterday I have a conversation with a Venezuelan guy who is here since 6 month or more… he is a "Maduro Guy"… of course I respect his political ideas (although I do not share them at all)…and suddenly…. he assured me that there were 84 US military bases in South America … (among other concepts that border on the ridiculous) … there I lost patience and I assured him that it was a big lie … I challenge him to tell me in what places there were the and he says: "There are 2 or 3 in Argentina … 6 or 7 in Brazil … 4 in Chile … 2 in Uruguay … etc …" the only country that did not mention was Paraguay … and coincidentally … I have seen the USA military base they have in the jungle … the information that the Venezuelans handle is almost as ridiculous as that which the Cubans handled at their time. (Yes … I was also in Cuba several times)…


Cacique Caribe19 May 2018 11:17 a.m. PST

Lol. That's funny. I've also seen more than a few samples of Cuban news reports. They sure love their little crazy local media bubbles.

Over here paranoia of that sort is what you'd see with fringe news radio and online talk shows, as in conspiracy nuts news. But over there it's treated like gospel. It's their official government news, which eventually becomes their official government history.

There have been attempts to do that here too using even mainstream "free" media, and though those narratives are eventually proven false, it's unbelievable how it is those first "reports" that really stick in the minds of many people.

PS. My favorite Cuban "fake news" story (not fake to them, of course) is that the US has hundreds of ships surrounding Cuba in an actual blockade. To this day many truly think that the "bloqueo" is an actual vessel blockade of US vessels, and that the US is constantly turning away ships destined for Cuba. Priceless!

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