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Tango0130 Apr 2018 1:05 p.m. PST

"If aliens reach out to us, what would happen first?

It's a question that has puzzled science-fiction fans and scientists alike for decades, and we already may have a hint of how people will react. On Oct. 30, 1938, a dramatized version of the 1898 H.G. Wells novel "The War of the Worlds" played on the CBS Radio system across the United States. The story details how Martians attacked Earth…."
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Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2018 1:18 p.m. PST

They would trade us techo trinkets for all our resources.

panzerCDR30 Apr 2018 1:56 p.m. PST

Poorly.

Legion 430 Apr 2018 2:24 p.m. PST

IIRC, in the early 60s, the US Gov't paid a Rand Corps think tank to do a study of this. I believe they came up with a term something like " The Conquistador Effect". I think that is self explanatory.

And it would very much effect the very religious all over the world. For Obvious reasons … I'd think …

Of course if they didn't come in peace, well … that's a no brainer too.

As noted we all have heard about good ol' Orson Well's Halloween Prank in '38.

Now one thing I have thought about, with all the sci-fi in the media, i.e. Books, TV, movies, etc. For the past few decades, e.g. Star Trek came out in '62 or '63 … And the trend just grew. Sci-fi has become more mainstream so to speak.

As long as the discovery/First Contact was not an invasion, violent, etc. Many today who are not especially religious would be at least at first may not be too "overwhelmed" per se. "It's been talked about in the media for decades !" …

But I could be wrong …

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2018 2:29 p.m. PST

Many today who are not especially religious would be at least at first may not be too "overwhelmed" per se. "It's been talked about in the media for decades !" …

I'd agree with Ralph.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2018 2:30 p.m. PST

Depends which part of humanity.

In the Western world, as long as they don't interrupt the WiFi and their celebrity Tweets, most people won't be bothered to find out why everyone else was so shocked.

If they even notice at all, they'd be more interested to know if school was out, or if they had to show up to work the rest of the week, and then run to stock up on booze and drugs.

Dan
PS. The rest will go up to the nearest tall building carrying signs that read "Make Yourselves At Home" or something like that:

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Legion 430 Apr 2018 2:36 p.m. PST

If the average human's life is not disturbed/turned upside down, etc. And possibly even got better(?) … Everybody would still have to go to work the next morning, cut the grass, pay taxes, etc., at least in the 1st World.

And the news media will literally fight among themselves to be the first to interview the first real alien(s) ! huh? From outer space I mean …

Plus remember what Hawkins along other "real" smart guys said … Might not be a good idea advertising about our existence to the rest of the galaxy ?

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2018 2:54 p.m. PST

Too late. If there are aliens, they already know we are here. But they won't make their presence known until it's time to eradicate us for the sake of expansion.

Dan

John the Confused30 Apr 2018 3:05 p.m. PST

What do you mean find aliens? We have been electing them for years!

Phil Hall30 Apr 2018 5:00 p.m. PST

The preppers will take off for their hideouts. The food stores will empty "just in case". National governments will try to find a way to get the aliens on "their side". World religions will both welcome and condemn the aliens. Revolution will break out in some countries. Scientists will recommend caution. Mainstream media will go 24/7 repeating the same half hour of information. Militaries all over the world will go to Defcon1. Then the aliens will leave.

Extrabio1947 Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2018 5:10 p.m. PST

They will probably hand out space blankets impregnated with alien smallpox.

Accordingly, we would act rather poorly.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2018 5:15 p.m. PST

Phil Hall: "Then the Aliens will leave"

And many will be left wondering if it was all an illusion or a false-flag. By the Alien satellite they leave behind proves it was real.

Then the real finger pointing will begin, over which ones offended the Aliens and said or did something to hurt their feelings.

A Return Cult will arise, with millions using radio waves, laser shows and even sending off mass "feel-good" vibes to get the aliens to return. They will attack anyone they feel doesn't have the right "energy" to welcome the aliens.

Years later experts will definally get to decipher the only inscription they left behind. It was Alien graffiti and read "What a bunch of losers!"

The satellite is actually a warning beacon, telling all intelligent species in the universe to avoid us in perpetuity.

Dan

TGerritsen30 Apr 2018 7:10 p.m. PST

I've often felt that most people would just go on with their lives. Sure, there would be initial excitement and interest, but unless they were here to kill us or conquer us, people would just get on with their lives. That includes religious folk, whom have discussed the possibility. Even the pope has talked about this. I feel that the widely held belief that there would be mass hysteria is far overblown.

cosmicbank30 Apr 2018 7:20 p.m. PST

We would lose our S&^T

Cyrus the Great30 Apr 2018 8:08 p.m. PST

We have been prepared psychologically for the eventual meeting of an alien species by decades of science fiction movies and television shows. Short of an invasion, everyone would be excited at first, but things would return to normal for most of us. The military, scientists and religious leaders would probably have the most day to day contact.

Old Glory Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Apr 2018 11:04 p.m. PST

Enough is enough !! We need to build a space wall !!
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Russ Dunaway

Dezmond01 May 2018 1:56 a.m. PST

#xenomorphswelcome

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 2:22 a.m. PST

It all depends on how they contact us.

If we get a clear recognizable message, it's likely to be some kind of broad spectrum "Hello", designed to be interpreted as such.

It could be simply us picking up something like their GPS signal or communications signal.

Or we could pick up a bunch of coordinates and some kind of message, which is either an invitation or a warning to stay away.

I suspect that about a quarter of the population will be excited, another quarter will be terrified out of their mind, another quarter will call it a hoax and the last quarter will simply shrug and carry on.

If it's a signal, chances are it came a long way away and any response we may send will take anything from decades to millions of years to get there. Interstellar communication at the speed of light is incredibly slow by human standards.

We'd be doomed to figure out a response and then have to wait ages to get a reply. Communication with other stars may take aeons.

First of all, there is no point in staying quiet, even if we decide to stop emitting any signal (which includes our GPS satellite system) our existing signals would give us away for a very long time.

There are several options for the Aliens.

They are not an immediate threat, probably stuck in their corner of space just like us.

They are a type II civilisation and may have the resources to send someone or something, but this may take ages.

They are a type II civilisation and are not interested in dealing with outsiders for whatever reason.

They are a type II civilisation and we get the "tough luck guys, we claim this galaxy." followed shortly by a Nicol-Dyson beam or they sent a fleet of killer ISBM's or relativistic kinetic projectiles or drones. We're essentially dead within a few years of getting the message.

More room, resources etc are unlikely goals for aliens to come and visit us. There should be enough room in the average solar system to house trillions with elbow room to spare and I'd be surprised that we'd find two civilisations contiguous to each other, so there would be more than enough solar systems in between us and them to make a trip all the way to our planet to simply mine whatever they are looking for a bit odd, since as far as we can ascertain our system should have nothing unusual to offer that you can't get elsewhere in the galaxy.

Dyson spheres or swarms are not that hard to achieve, they are probably less labour intensive than trying to expand onto other star systems and can satisfy almost every demand of an advanced civilisation quite effectively without having to travel massive distances and spending eons doing it.

What about FTL travel you ask ?

It cannot be ruled out, but our current understanding of FTL is pretty much.

- Concept
- ???
- Warp five mr Sulu

There are a few hypothetical models and some maths that don't preclude FTL per se, but practical applications might be out of our reach no matter how much money we throw at it.

Traveling at relativistic speeds is horribly slow by human standards, but once you reach a certain technology level the human factor becomes the glaring weak spot and all your philosophical hindrances don't weigh up against the benefits of altering people to live on an "interstellar timescale" Once you do shift timescales FTL becomes a moot point.

Visiting Aliens

I doubt they would come to conquer us, unless they have some philosophical reason to do so. If they can come all the way to us, we're Bleeped texted.

They come to harvest our resources

What could we possibly have that they should not be able to get in their own system. The only reason would be close proximity and they are simply moving onto the next system to get more resources. They would probably not skip other systems to get to us first, unless again they have really weird philosophical motivations.

They come to harvest us

That problem can be solved in a matter of hours. Take a large enough sample of humans, Swab the inside of the mouth of a few times and you can clone humans at leisure for whatever reason you may have. That gives you a near unlimited supply of humans.

They are explorers and simply wish to talk to us

It probably wouldn't be the USS Alienprise, it's either going to be a massive ship or a fleet of ships with all the resources to explore our world in every possible detail. Most likely they would figure that specific protocols would have to be established to ensure that there is no risk of contamination and that they don't accidentally damage our most precious artifacts. They would probably need years or even decades to find ways to communicate effectively and find methods to translate all our media and copy it onto their computer systems.

They might even offer our scientists a return trip. "Build modules suitable for humans and all their equipment and here are the specifics for how to connect them to our ships for the trip of several lifetimes."

Our own reaction might vary to other degrees.

We do have protocols for dealing with an alien message.

It's unlikely that any single nation might pick up the signal and be able to keep it a secret. Similarly the odds that the UN can keep this under their hat is small because the odds of anybody independent discovering the signal and going public only goes up with time.

The major hurdles would be individual reaction, political and philosophical/theological.

I can see certain religions reject the claim of contact with another civilisation outright. "If it's not in the holy books, it's a lie." type mentality.

Politicians might get upset and try to cover it up for fear of panic or possible other implications. Unlikely, but I can see some countries declare it a hoax purely to make a political statement. Also see denial as a political tool to crank up the problem of "fake news" to disrupt society.

We might get some measure of panic in certain populations, individuals might decide it's time to flee to the hills.

Even more likely is the "Aliens-Shmaliens !" attitude of many people. "It's all scientists trying to get more funding" type reasoning.

I doubt that the planet will go collectively nuts, most people will remain dubious and skeptical at best and without any real interaction it's probably going to fade away from daily life. If we get something like radio communication or even TV signals we might have a treasure trove of alien culture to listen and watch and try to interpret.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 6:20 a.m. PST

I think K had it right.

Dan
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Tango0101 May 2018 10:34 a.m. PST

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Armand

28mm Fanatik01 May 2018 12:18 p.m. PST

If the aliens come we would realize the folly of our ways and protect our environment, end war, eliminate national boundaries and sing kumbaya. Obviously.

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coopman01 May 2018 1:02 p.m. PST

Shoot first, and if that doesn't work, join them.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2018 1:39 p.m. PST

28mm Fanatik: "If the aliens come we would realize the folly of our ways and protect our environment, end war, eliminate national boundaries and sing kumbaya. Obviously."

Lol. Maybe that's why these topics keep popping up more and more … just to get people more interested in establishing that one-world government, even it was just all a false alarm and there were never any aliens contacting us. The only weapons needed would be those for civil unrest pacification. What a deal!

And, if there are aliens indeed real and on the way, the Earth-wide police state will make the parasite implantation process that much easier on us human hosts.

Dan
PS. Is this really a wargaming topic? I guess it could be, if we gamed a resistance effort of some sort. :)
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KPinder01 May 2018 1:55 p.m. PST

Our first contact from outer space…

The whole world awaits the wisdom of the aliens.

Here it comes…

"Yeah, we up here have been wondering why you haven't been submitting TPS reports. Didn't you get the memo?"

coopman03 May 2018 10:21 a.m. PST

Another question that they might have for us:
What is wrong with you idiots?

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP04 May 2018 1:48 a.m. PST

Coopman

LOL. I think that was one of the questions that the "starbucking" aliens/droids/blanks asked Simon Pegg and his friends in "The World's End" (2013), wasn't it?

Dan

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Umpapa04 May 2018 11:38 a.m. PST

John 10:16

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

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