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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2017 5:34 p.m. PST

How much would he have known about its coastline back then, when he dreamed up his map of Hyboria, back in 1932?

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Howard's maps:

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So, was "Conan the Cimerian" really "Conan the Doggerlander"?

Dan
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Personal logo Grelber Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2017 6:45 p.m. PST

Depending on the part of Cimmeria he came from, he might have Highland ancestry, which is an interesting way of looking at the Conan stories.

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robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2017 7:27 p.m. PST

Greiber, other way around. If you read Howard's "The Hyborean Age" he describes lowland Scots as being of Cimmerian descent. The highlanders would have some Pictish ancestry, though more Irish.

Dan, my guess would be that Howard's world was Doggerlandless. The question would be the state of popular geology in Howard's time--and at least for fictional purposes, Howard leaned toward Ignatius Donnelly and catastrophism. The contents of REH's personal library are known, and I can pursue it if you wish, though he was better read even than that.
(I tried, years ago, to source "The Gray God Passes" and I still have no idea where he found copies of some of the material which went into that one. The Cross Plains Library seemed unlikely to contain The Annals of the Four Masters, for instance.)

bsrlee05 Nov 2017 7:43 p.m. PST

The idea of a submerged or drowned land in the English Channel aka Le Manche actually goes back to at least Medieval times or before. There were stories of 'Ys' in traditional stories around the Arthurian cycle and should be easy to find if you did around. Plenty of 'fresh' stories every time there was a big storm event with pieces of waterlogged trees being washed up or caught up in fishing nets and generational occurrences of well established settlements being lost to the sea through erosion would have kept the stories alive in popular memory.

So Howard – and his contemporaries – would have been aware of 'something' in the Channel/North sea area, just not something as established as Doggerland or the drowned Neolithic settlements of the Black Sea.

goragrad05 Nov 2017 7:59 p.m. PST

The existence of Doggerland was first established in the late 1800s.

Mapping though dates to the 1990s. Not sure what the knowledge of Doggerland's geography was in the 20s and 30s.

Personal logo Black Cavalier Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2017 8:56 p.m. PST

Oh I thought doggerland was where the British swingers hung out.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2017 5:46 a.m. PST

Hmm…."I am Conan of Doggerland" would lead to sniggers rather than striking fear into Conan's mortal and immortal enemies…..

Personal logo Jeff Ewing Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2017 6:58 a.m. PST

"The contents of REH's personal library are known…though he was better read even than that." Every time we move the movers say "Have you *read* all these books?" I don't have the heart to say "These are only the ones I've decided to keep."

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2017 11:49 a.m. PST

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bilsonius08 Nov 2017 4:35 p.m. PST

Wasn't 'Conan the Highlander' filmed as 'Braveheart'?

Caedite Eos09 Nov 2017 5:49 a.m. PST

There was a lot of excitement about Doggerland in 1931 so it's not impossible.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP11 Nov 2017 3:22 p.m. PST

I'm thinking of getting a bumper sticker made:

REMEMBER DOGGERLAND!!!
Bring Back The Ice Age

And have the silhouette of a Neolithic man with spear raised on high over his head.

Dan
PS. Something like the Planet of the Apes gorilla silhouette, but on foot, and with a spear instead of a rifle:

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