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FusilierDan Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 3:55 p.m. PST

Not sure if this has already been posted but here is an article on Jedi Knights fighting Medieval Knights

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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 4:05 p.m. PST

So, is this thread polluting historical discussions with fictional elements, or polluting fictional discussions with historical elements?

Or should there be a new Board dedicated exclusively for discussions about Jedis interacting with Medievals? :)

It's just so hard to tell what's right these days. :)

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Dan

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 5:01 p.m. PST

I figure once one of the elements is ahistorical, the discussion is. If I consider 15th Century pikes vs 15th Century knights, I can form an opinion based on information. For SF, fantasy and pulp, I have, at best "period feel." For something like this, the answer is whatever the rulesmith wants it to be. On what basis could you frame an argument?

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 6:27 p.m. PST

If the Jedi are any good, it shouldn't take more than a handful, call it half a dozen, to wipe the floor with the humans.

Brian Smaller01 Aug 2017 6:53 p.m. PST

It helps to have a sword that cuts through metal, wood and flesh with a single swipe. Parry this.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 7:16 p.m. PST

Batteries. Sooner or later they have to stop to replace 6 AA batteries. Then they're toast.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 7:22 p.m. PST

A thousand longbows could shrink their numbers a bit. :)

Dan

Crazyivanov01 Aug 2017 7:59 p.m. PST

If any of you are familiar with the Naadist revolt, the answer to the question is Yes.

Zephyr101 Aug 2017 8:16 p.m. PST

300 Jedi? You'd only need one Vader…

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 8:33 p.m. PST

I always laugh at the "experts" who intone "Medieval Knights never had to face Samurai!" That's their way of saying that the Samurai would certainly win.
But they have no counter to my "Samurai never had yo face Medieval Knights either!"

Silly matchups are never answerable, except if you use WRG 5.
Or if your rules ensure that X can never be beat. Then why play? Give the side guaranteed to win to a 5 year old. Any younger and they would eat the dice.

gamershs01 Aug 2017 10:14 p.m. PST

The Medieval Knights would win as they existed but the Jedi do not.

advocate01 Aug 2017 10:46 p.m. PST

But gamershs, knights in history defeated have been: Jedi never!

Sobieski02 Aug 2017 12:36 a.m. PST

So sure we all are, yes….Especially paying no attention to morale, fatigue, or how the real armies were composed.

CATenWolde02 Aug 2017 1:12 a.m. PST

It depends who got to wear the custom crafted Handwavium Plot Armour that day … ;)

Ottoathome02 Aug 2017 2:41 a.m. PST

Isn't this another version of the critics of wargamers assertion that our beautiful war game Napoleonic armies "could be wiped out with a guy with a single machine gun?" Don't you remember all the scoffing and insulting we took from theses guys. Now we do it to ourselves.

The answer of course is simple. "OK, I'll produce a guy decked out as a medieval knight with his weapons. You produce a Jedi in his bathrobe."

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Aug 2017 4:42 a.m. PST

Jedi mind tricks, not light sabers. And good luck catching Yoda in your armor.

Zinkala02 Aug 2017 6:14 a.m. PST

Episode 5 Yoda or Prequel Yoda? If you don't sink in the swamp you could probably catch him easy enough towards the end. Now when he was younger and could bounce off ceilings it might be tougher.

Baranovich Supporting Member of TMP02 Aug 2017 8:27 a.m. PST

I'm sorry, but those hypothetical battle simulations are just stupid.

Why would 60,000 medieval knights just stand in a big block and make NO attempt and encircling the jedi? They just stay in a giant rectangle shape and wait for the jedi to mow through them and wait their turn to be killed?

It's just silly. They would encircle the jedi and the jedi would be overwhelmed. Jedi are master swordsmen but they are not immortal and they cannot survive endless sword stabs and slashes.

The jedi might kill the first few thousand knights, but by then they would all be badly injured and losing blood and not be able to continue fighting at that level of ferocity.

Stupid.

Earl of the North02 Aug 2017 8:37 a.m. PST

So 300 Magic Knights wielding unstoppable swords with unstoppable magic powers (but no armour) VS 60,000 Medieval footmen with useless armour and no protection from all that magic.

Andy ONeill02 Aug 2017 11:54 a.m. PST

Why is only one side fantasy?
Once the magicians web the jedi knights all the knights need to do is light em up and watch them burn.

Zephyr102 Aug 2017 1:48 p.m. PST

"Why would 60,000 medieval knights just stand in a big block and make NO attempt and encircling the jedi? They just stay in a giant rectangle shape and wait for the jedi to mow through them and wait their turn to be killed?"

No, if they have the Jedi positioned stupidly in front of them, the Meds simply have to stampede over the Jedi and trample them to death, (though they still might lose a thousand or so…) You could still use your stabby things, but hardly needed (concert/stadium trampling events are more modern examples.) For cattle/herd stampedes, victims are usually reduced to flattened paste… :-o

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP02 Aug 2017 2:33 p.m. PST

Jedi don't do tactics well. That's to be expected. They are movie fluff after all.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Aug 2017 4:12 p.m. PST

Tuesday.

Crazyivanov02 Aug 2017 9:48 p.m. PST

Zephyr, if that's the case, then why did 3,300 Greeks give the Persians so much trouble at Thermopolye? After a certain level a host gets in its own way.

Also, if you want to use mounted tactics against Jedi, get ready for the Jedi to use the Force to get your Horse to throw you and run away.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Aug 2017 4:00 p.m. PST

Zephyr, if that's the case, then why did 3,300 Greeks give the Persians so much trouble at Thermopolye?

Terrain.

Never fight the enemy on their terms. Make them fight you on your terms.
- Sun Tzu (paraphrase)

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2017 12:04 a.m. PST

Use handcannons, even the stone/lead ball from a handcannon goes 20 times faster than a blaster bolt.
Wouldn't be able to counter those with a lightsaber. Make battalions out of the knight, and fire of volley of 100-200 shots at a time. With in a few seconds, all Jedi will be dead.

Ottoathome04 Aug 2017 5:33 a.m. PST

When you are faced with a silly question it's best to meet it with a silly question.

Could 60,000 Jedi win against a 100 megaton hydrogen bomb?

I don't think so.

Sure the knights don't have them but the Jedi do. Why twaddle around with light sabers when simple vaporization will do.

Or for that matter could 60,000 jedi knights prevail against one Kumquaat Haagendaaz.

Warspite104 Aug 2017 8:41 a.m. PST

Many many moons ago, about 40 years, when fantasy gaming was just getting started, a friend returned to our historical game table at a show laughing his head off.

He had just overheard this at a nearby fantasy table: "Orcs charging Elves? That's not realistic!"

I rest my case.

maverick290904 Aug 2017 10:08 a.m. PST

This really shouldn't be posted in the historical section… Hoping mods remove it soon.

To answer the question: if the foot soldiers were English longbowmen they would certainly have no problem killing 300 Jedi with taking little to know casualties themselves.

Puster Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2017 9:37 p.m. PST

But gamershs, knights in history defeated have been: Jedi never!

Wheren't Jedis given the task to protect the Republic, and where almost annihilated in failing. Good to hear that they never lost :-)

Ottoathome05 Aug 2017 11:40 a.m. PST

Tellen' ya… drop the bomb.

"Melting I am."

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 6:18 a.m. PST

What if Napoleon had a B-52 at Waterloo?

Personal logo herkybird Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2017 11:15 a.m. PST

What if Napoleon had a B-52 at Waterloo?
…He would probably not know how to fly it!!! ;-)

christot07 Aug 2017 7:44 a.m. PST

hmmmm hate to rain on your parade, but the poor old longbowmen are constrained by reality and history…the Jedi (last time I checked) are fictional, so suffer no such restraints. You can just make up some more super powers or gizmos to ensure their victory.

Russ Lockwood08 Aug 2017 12:47 p.m. PST

Well, here's Jedi vs. Spartans in varying strengths…

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Wulfgar08 Aug 2017 4:22 p.m. PST

It depends on how many points it takes to put a Jedi on the table. It might be more fair if the Medieval army could field a wizard.

GrenadierPartha Inactive Member10 Aug 2017 8:04 a.m. PST

Would a LIGHTsaber be reflected by sufficiently shiny plate armour?

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Aug 2017 8:22 a.m. PST

Could 300 Jedi defeat 60,000 medieval footmen?

Wouldn't some moral code prohibit them from engaging? Yay! The lawyers win!

RudyNelson11 Aug 2017 1:59 p.m. PST

If the Knights and footmen had experience with Jedi capabilities and they had a capable General, then the chances are good but with high losses.

uglyfatbloke Supporting Member of TMP03 Sep 2017 11:08 a.m. PST

Maverick…maybe worth bearing in mind that the English lost pretty much all their medieval wars.

Wargamer Dave03 Sep 2017 4:13 p.m. PST

Yes, but they could not defeat one giant Mike Ditka.

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