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01 Jul 2017 7:52 p.m. PST
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ITALWARS Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2017 7:09 a.m. PST

hello
looking for just a general suggestion..
i'm in the process of reorganizing my 1:72 vehicles for rapid Fire games..i have quite a few Allied models from different manufactures (Airfix, Hasegawa, PSC ecc..) to compose units for European theatre 1944-45…my question is , except peculiar vehicles for which the nationality would be evident..like troop carriers, reconaissance vehicles, trucks and even AFV with crew minis appearing on the turrets ecc..for what concern AFV common to both US and GB like Shermans , Stuarts, DUKWs are they many diffences between a late war US type and the same in UK service?..for what i read at the end of the war lend leased AFV were left in the original OD colour and other GB AFV were painted accordingly..also the star insignia on AFV had been standardised….please which is your opinion? your suggestions?
many thanks in advance

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2017 8:39 a.m. PST

Just some general rules. These apply for Northwest Europe 44-45. US lend lease tanks were usually kept in their original OD UNLESS there were modifications made to them such as upgrading to a Firefly. In April of 1944 S.C.C. 15 Olive Drab was authorized for British vehicles. This further removed the need to repaint any lend lease US equipment which were not modified. It was a close match with US OD but not exact. I find a 50:50 mix of Vallejo 888 Olive Grey and 924 Russian Uniform to give a good match for S.C.C. 15.

And yes, the five pointed star and star in a circle was standardized for use as both aerial recognition and national identification on western allied vehicles in 1944

wrgmr101 Jul 2017 12:07 p.m. PST

Here is a link from a previous discussion.

TMP link

ITALWARS Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2017 9:38 p.m. PST

thanks for the very accurate infos..
but the question remains…may i use , for example , my 6 Airfix basic Shermans once painted in OD..both for US and British units in a late war scenario?

Rapier Miniatures Inactive Member03 Jul 2017 1:19 a.m. PST

They are your tanks, use them as you wish.

Biggest difference in late war between UK and US was that the UK ones had generally lost their turret AA Machine gun.

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2017 2:13 p.m. PST

Qualified yes. The US used the M4, M4A1 and the M4A3 in Europe and Italy. The British would have used the M4, M4A1, M4A2 and the M4A4. That being said other discussions here showed the US did use a limited amount of M4A2 in Europe. The Americans would not have had any Firefly. While the stars would be accurate for both there were different additional markings for British and US tanks. Very few rules differentiate the different models other than armament.

Bottom line, few would fault you.

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