"Sad Day at TMP (Again)" Topic

Yet on page three you feel obliged to tell us all that it is simply 'a fact' that the late A E Curtis, who, needless to say cannot now speak for himself, drove unnamed advertisers away.

Yes, I am telling you that it is a fact.

I fear you are hoist by your own petard, Bill.

True words DestoFante…

well, it cannot be a fact if it cannot be proven, otherwise it's just a 'take my word for it'. For it to be a fact to us, we'd need a list of who left and their message specifically stating they were leaving due to Allen (RIP) – and if they came back afterwards. Ideally we'd be able to ask said list of advertisers themselves about it.

Well, the Weavers left due to it iirc.

I fear you are hoist by your own petard, Bill.

How so?

For it to be a fact to us, we'd need a list of who left and their message specifically stating they were leaving due to Allen (RIP) – and if they came back afterwards. Ideally we'd be able to ask said list of advertisers themselves about it.

Well, I suppose it doesn't matter anyway. I know it's a fact, and whether you can accept that or not is up to you.

Well, the Weavers left due to it iirc.

Indirectly.

ha ha ha -and on it goes.

It's a secret fact?

Maybe its an alternative fact? They seem to be popular these days

DestoFante--I agree with some of your points,but rather than piling on,I'll say that,with regard to your No.2, even I,as a relative newbie here,know where the ignore button is.

The same goes for Broglie's No.8--you can remove the Polls board from your Homepage. Or just not look at the polls you find annoying.

BTW,though I find many of Tango01's posts of no use to me,some are. I have to wonder how many people check TMP for them,without comment? I guess there's no way for anyone to know,without a hit count for individual threads.

I guess there's no way for anyone to know,without a hit count for individual threads.

Um, there is a hit count for individual threads.

number 8. Stupid polls which have no connection whatsoever with the hobby. Just look at the list on today's front page.

You do realize that most of those polls were requested by TMP members, right?

How do you get along on a night down at the game club? Do you keep telling people to stop talking about non-wargaming topics?

there is a hit count for individual threads.

Oops. Well, I did say I was a newbie.

You do realise that you are the Editor in Chief, right.

You cannot just blame members for everything.

People here are trying to make known their views and some are putting forward points which are worth considering as well as expressing their views about things they do not like. Smart answers do nothing to advance the discussion except maybe discourage submissions.

I still think some of the polls have no connection with the hobby.

One of the main non-wargaming topics in our group is the TMP Page.

You cannot just blame members for everything.

I still think some of the polls have no connection with the hobby.

I don't think you understand. The TMP community has voted many times about the polls. At this point in time, this is what the community wants. If anyone thinks it should be different, please go to the TMP Poll Suggestions board and make a proposal.

'Well, I suppose it doesn't matter anyway. I know it's a fact, and whether you can accept that or not is up to you. grin'

Alternative facts? ;-)

Aaand now it's escalated to locked accounts. . .

Broglie, Temporary Like Achilles and mashrewba all locked out.

I guess the first rule of TMP Talk is you don't talk about TMP?

How can he propose a poll now you've banned him?
What on Earth did he say to merit being banned?

We're having a conversation…

If you are taking items for the "wish list" where do you want the collection of them to go so they can be tracked?

No, thank you.

The list in my mind…

Banning people at random and then "having a conversation" doesn't really encourage people to express their honest opinion here or as PM, does it?

At random? No.

People don't seem to have a problem expressing their honest opinions here, Pertti.

When it crosses the line into being disrespectful, however, I may choose to have a conversation with them to explore what they mean.

You are either NOT taking inputs, like you SAID, or, you ARE taking inputs which you DID.

I am not asking for inputs at this time, but if someone throws out a suggestion, I will take note of it.

The list in my mind…

The mind…BOGGLES!

GD is right, nothing is getting accomplished here and I have much better things to do…

Terrement, I am sorry that you are disappointed. I am listening, but as I have already said, this is the time for pushing TMP 3.999 to TMP 4.0 and I am expending all my efforts in that crusade.

I'm sorry if I sound impatient with you.

After that, I see a further period of fixing other, small bugs that have been waiting for attention (such as forum search being broken, Basic Members being able to post on Marketplace, etc.).

This is not the time to be making lists of desirable features.

When I am in the code, if I see a target of opportunity, I may make a minor upgrade. For example, the 'disappearing topic' bug will probably have me looking at the forum caching code, so I might be able to do the optional forum sort for the homepage while I'm in there. If it's as easy as I think it might be.

Good Stuff, JJ…

Broad agreement with JJ.
Make an exception for pop culture stuff thats relevant for us (movies, novels) I suppose.

Yes, good points

Thank you for your input.

' If you want to keep the non-gaming boards, then prove it.'

Has a down side.

'If you don't want to keep the non-gaming boards, then wreck them.' Just pick a fight on them and make Bill close them down.

Personally, I'm quite happy with the boards – I can always (try and) ignore the more raucous elements. It isn't the boards that are the problem, it's behaviour of some individuals – so close them down.

What could work is to take all the suspect boards off line then put them back with a default as 'switched off' People would then have to physically turn them on – and wouldn't be able to say 'I didn't know they could be turned off' or 'why are they there'. Again, another possibility would be to transfer these boards as paying members only boards and thus take them out of the 'public' domain.

Broad agreement with JJ.
Make an exception for pop culture stuff thats relevant for us (movies, novels) I suppose.

Agreed.

Terrement makes real sense. Again I applaud his efforts and perseverance.

Yep, he's stuck to his guns throughout this entire discussion.

I'm through with this thread. It doesn't appear to be going anywhere.

I'll leave it with a cartoon that made me laugh & seems to have some application:

I'm through with this thread. It doesn't appear to be going anywhere.

The important thing is that the staff still have jobs, even if only part-time.

The important thing is that the staff still have jobs, even if only part-time.

Was this your original goal? After 200+ postings that have nothing to do with your statement above; just a way to get your assistants back?

You'll take all that was…forget said…but literally poured out of member's hearts and souls to the point of pleeding with you for SANITY on this board and you just shrug and tell us that the important thing is that your staff still have their jobs???

SOP

The important thing is that the staff still have jobs, even if only part-time.

But only for February? TMP link

Going from full-time employment to four weeks of part-time isn't exactly the same as still having a job.

I reaffirm my strong conviction not to be a supporting member for the time being.

Yes. Seen nothing here to entice me back.

Sadly, it seems that the end-results of the thread are:

1. The redundancy of the editors has been postponed for a few weeks.
2. Several forum members of long standing have been locked for reasons unknown
3. TMP is being discussed more widely in the general wargames community but not for the right reasons – do you think those that you've locked won't be talking about it to their friends at whichever gaming clubs they attend?
4. A significant number of existing SMs are now much less likely to renew when the time comes, thanks to the responses they've had to their well-intentioned comments and suggestions.

Definitely going to call time on this thread now – its achieved nothing. Incredible to see such common agreement amongst almost all who contributed other than the one person who can (but cannot see the need to) make substantial changes going forwards.

Going from full-time employment to four weeks of part-time isn't exactly the same as still having a job.

I am happy to have this job because it helps me in my needs, most especially helping my family.

Having a part-time job is better than no job. But I am planning to go back to working in the salon so I can make enough money.

Working at TMP is the best job I have ever had compared to the other jobs I have experienced before, because I don't need to go outside and commute going to the office and I can work at home without disturbance.

And yes I love editing the Hobby News and I have learned a lot.

And so it ends…

The board needs re-titled as 'A sad board at TMP'
I concur with sjwalker38

Good to hear Diana

As General Disaster has rightly pointed out, I should have asked the question here; why were TLA, Mashrewba and Broglie locked out?

Some of the worse arguments we have had have been on game related Boards Napoleonic and Ultra Modern for two

Theres virtually no gaming content on the UM board.

Napoleonics gets insane for some reason, I'm not sure what does it, though it seems a few personalities that have it in for each other.

Once again the Editor starts a thread whose sole purpose is to find TMP members to lock their accounts. Find people who disagree and lock them out. It helps if they're foreigners.
Is that 4 on this thread, or did I lose count and miss someone?

…why were TLA, Mashrewba and Broglie locked out?

As I said previously, the accounts were temporarily locked so that I could have a conversation with them about their forum behavior.

TLA has been restored.

Mashrewba has chosen to leave TMP rather than talk with me.

I have not received a reply to my PM to broglie yet.

Such bullying. Most people would react like Mashrewba – I know no other forum where people get temporarily locked so the owner can "have a conversation with them about their forum behavior".

According to Broglie, he has been trying getting in contact with you but without success. Maybe there's some technical problem?

I'll go back to the Napoleonic forum now, less risk of getting locked there. Unless you mention bricole of course.