"Famous Wargamer Feuds" Topic

would this title land me in the dawghouse?

"Host Mold suckers" And the Rest of HMGS?

The arguments about Napoleon seem to have continued unabated since 1815 and until today :-)

Phalanx vs junior high marching band is one of my faves

I had an on going debate about cannon wheels vs wagon whells during the American Civil War. That lasted over 2 years. That started over a joke.

You're absolutely misguided Weasel. That argument started on January 9, 1811! The nerve!

Wargamer Dave. You simply cannot make a statement such as that without evidence! Your sources, please….

Ah!!! Memories of the 70s…

there were also some good ones in some of the Bod elections for HMGS

for us it was the great BP hedge crossing debate ….

Two of my friends still argue about which one screwed up decoding their transmissions during our Midway campaign that prevented the US carriers from coordinating in any meaningful way. That was 20 year ago…..

Donald Featherstone versus Jack Scruby was a classic feud.

Bob Giglio vs Pat Condray was a headliner

Does Phil Barker vs. the English language count?

I remember all the arguments as to the over-arm or under-arm use of spears by Greek hoplites.

Falxes

Bricoles

Etc

Golly,cosmicbank!

Talk about the graying of the hobby. . .

How many years does it take to train a Napoleonic drummer…

Peter Hofschrorer vs. everybody.

Do you mean besides the feuds that have taken place on TMP?

What was the substance of the DF & JS feud?

Whirlwind--some info here:

link

Click on the highlighted entries under 1962 for the gist.

This thread might possibly turn out to be worthy of placement on the History of Wargaming board.

The DF and JS feud continues in its essence today.

thanks for that Hafen, never knew the cause of it

dealers/sculptors vs knock off casting guys

HMGS "East" BOD against the membership in the "Move Historicon Now" financial scandal.

@Skeets @Timbo W –
Don't forget Rhomphaia and its use. The difference between Cataphracts and Clibinarii and should we use a C or a K with them. The correct use of the chariot…

Ahh, the Society of Ancients. Oh what fun we had.

Winged Balrogs.

That was pre-Jackson of course, has that film ended the debate?

That was pre-Jackson of course, has that film ended the debate?

No.

For the real Tolkien enthusiast, the film is only superficially, very loosely inspired by LOTR, and bears almost no resemblance to the original works.

Wargamer Feuds?

Anyone who posts something on TMP vs everyone else on TMP.

Thanks for that, Hafen, very interesting.

The DF and JS feud continues in its essence today

Yes, quite right. I don't suppose that it is a disagreement capable of being resolved except by individual gamers themselves.

Not perhaps a 'feud' as such, but I guess the old 'Playability' versus 'Realism' is still the main bone of contention between wargamers… and likely always will be.

the old 'Playability' versus 'Realism' is still the main bone of contention between wargamers… and likely always will be.

No need for it to be.
Easy to have both.

Just depends on your vision of 'playability' and 'realism'

What's a "famous wargamer"?

does not have to be TMP, could be HMGS or anything else

Hafen, thanks for the link – informative. I'd known bits and pieces previously but that puts the laundry out for all to see who care to. Curious to see the high minded and literate tone for Mr. Scruby and the much less so from Don, literate, I mean – though that might be from lack of typing skills on his part versus Jack being in the print trade. Curious also to see the American take the 'democratic' side and the Englishman assert his opinion as the only one worthy of his time (his right of course, says another American). Again, may be the literacy thing. But then we have to stack that up against all the books Don later wrote. I do know – because he wrote it so – that Don credited Jack with giving the hobby the life that continues to this day. And I'm sure Jack, from the tone of his reposte, would grant all due credit to Don. So, I'd say that brouhaha has brewed itself out and all we have left is clear water and fond memories of two men who made this modern hobby possible in so very many ways.

Flames of War camp vs Non FOW camp. The Cuban Crisis was less tense. Things got hateful.

Any game that sells well really. FOW, 40K, Black Powder, probably DBA too.

Bricoles.
Was there a big dust-up of FOW? See, I don't play WW2, so I'm never over there. I bet there are people n the WW2 board who don't even know what a bricole is.

wasnt there another type of fued in hmgs dealing with the ancient tournaments?

Tony Bath and Donald Featherstone- however, both were gentlemen and so the word feud is too strong for gentlemen of that era. Many early wargamers were striving for ascendency, the key exceptions were Donald Featherstone (as he had the books in print) and Charles Grant(wargaming was a minor part of his life).

All time favorite was the Great Empire vs TMP feud of 2010. Text book on how to NOT launch a product.

TMP link

You just beat me to it. Wargame Event vs.TMP may be the all time great feud. Although it depends on your definition of the word feud. Whatever, it is a classic.

I will put in a plug here for Mark Twain's "historical" novel about Joan of Arc. That's my favorite version of the story. It was his favorite work and he took twelve years on it, running the manuscript under his wife's critical eye.

I have only seen snatches of the Mila movie, and it seems excellent, so I bought the DVD (yet to view it). The Ingrid Bergman portrayal is excellent. But if you want to get into the spirit of this story, I recommend the silent film, "The Passion of Joan of Arc" (Criterion edition). Watch it with Richard Einhorn's "movie score" going.

My belief about what Joan of Arc was is that she was inspired not insane. Arguably they are the same thing, or the one can lead to the other. True inspiration can make a mind insane. It won't rest until the vision is complete. Failure to accomplish the vision will bring on madness. There was nothing irrational about following the commands of a girl in plate armor who was a winner. Everybody back then believed in angels and demons. Depending on which side you were on, Joan was listening to one or the other…………..

Has the bug struck again?

I remember many many threads ad nauseum, "what color is French White/grey"?
And who could forget that forever classic of yesterday-week
50 shades of field grey ?

Thanks for the DF vs Scrubby link. I started with DF's First Book. I realise how poor it was now. Shame Scrubby did not lead the way.