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01 Feb 2017 5:46 a.m. PST
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Retiarius9 Inactive Member31 Dec 2016 11:02 a.m. PST

would this title land me in the dawghouse?

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP31 Dec 2016 11:16 a.m. PST

"Host Mold suckers" And the Rest of HMGS?

Weasel31 Dec 2016 11:18 a.m. PST

The arguments about Napoleon seem to have continued unabated since 1815 and until today :-)

Personal logo Waco Joe Supporting Member of TMP31 Dec 2016 11:53 a.m. PST

Phalanx vs junior high marching band is one of my faves

cosmicbank31 Dec 2016 12:04 p.m. PST

I had an on going debate about cannon wheels vs wagon whells during the American Civil War. That lasted over 2 years. That started over a joke.

Wargamer Dave31 Dec 2016 12:08 p.m. PST

You're absolutely misguided Weasel. That argument started on January 9, 1811! The nerve!

Cerdic Supporting Member of TMP31 Dec 2016 12:29 p.m. PST

Wargamer Dave. You simply cannot make a statement such as that without evidence! Your sources, please….

GarrisonMiniatures Inactive Member31 Dec 2016 12:31 p.m. PST

Ah!!! Memories of the 70s…

Retiarius9 Inactive Member31 Dec 2016 12:42 p.m. PST

there were also some good ones in some of the Bod elections for HMGS

dwight shrute31 Dec 2016 12:55 p.m. PST

for us it was the great BP hedge crossing debate ….

David Manley31 Dec 2016 3:25 p.m. PST

Two of my friends still argue about which one screwed up decoding their transmissions during our Midway campaign that prevented the US carriers from coordinating in any meaningful way. That was 20 year ago…..

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP31 Dec 2016 4:31 p.m. PST

Donald Featherstone versus Jack Scruby was a classic feud.

Retiarius9 Inactive Member31 Dec 2016 4:33 p.m. PST

Bob Giglio vs Pat Condray was a headliner

Lucius31 Dec 2016 4:39 p.m. PST

Does Phil Barker vs. the English language count?

Skeets Supporting Member of TMP31 Dec 2016 5:13 p.m. PST

I remember all the arguments as to the over-arm or under-arm use of spears by Greek hoplites.

Timbo W31 Dec 2016 5:40 p.m. PST




Hafen von Schlockenberg Inactive Member31 Dec 2016 6:25 p.m. PST


Talk about the graying of the hobby. . .

Lascaris31 Dec 2016 8:40 p.m. PST

How many years does it take to train a Napoleonic drummer…

coopman31 Dec 2016 8:42 p.m. PST

Peter Hofschrorer vs. everybody.

Sundance Inactive Member31 Dec 2016 9:17 p.m. PST

Do you mean besides the feuds that have taken place on TMP?

Personal logo Whirlwind Supporting Member of TMP01 Jan 2017 8:28 a.m. PST

What was the substance of the DF & JS feud?

Hafen von Schlockenberg Inactive Member01 Jan 2017 10:22 a.m. PST

Whirlwind--some info here:


Click on the highlighted entries under 1962 for the gist.

This thread might possibly turn out to be worthy of placement on the History of Wargaming board.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP01 Jan 2017 12:00 p.m. PST

The DF and JS feud continues in its essence today.

Retiarius9 Inactive Member01 Jan 2017 12:17 p.m. PST

thanks for that Hafen, never knew the cause of it

Retiarius9 Inactive Member01 Jan 2017 1:18 p.m. PST

dealers/sculptors vs knock off casting guys

zoneofcontrol Inactive Member01 Jan 2017 2:00 p.m. PST

HMGS "East" BOD against the membership in the "Move Historicon Now" financial scandal.

Personal logo Narratio Supporting Member of TMP01 Jan 2017 8:20 p.m. PST

@Skeets @Timbo W –
Don't forget Rhomphaia and its use. The difference between Cataphracts and Clibinarii and should we use a C or a K with them. The correct use of the chariot…

Ahh, the Society of Ancients. Oh what fun we had.

NickNorthStar Sponsoring Member of TMP02 Jan 2017 12:31 p.m. PST

Winged Balrogs.

That was pre-Jackson of course, has that film ended the debate?

(Phil Dutre) Inactive Member02 Jan 2017 12:54 p.m. PST

That was pre-Jackson of course, has that film ended the debate?


For the real Tolkien enthusiast, the film is only superficially, very loosely inspired by LOTR, and bears almost no resemblance to the original works.

(Phil Dutre) Inactive Member02 Jan 2017 12:55 p.m. PST

Wargamer Feuds?

Anyone who posts something on TMP vs everyone else on TMP.

Personal logo Whirlwind Supporting Member of TMP29 Jan 2017 3:17 a.m. PST

Thanks for that, Hafen, very interesting.

The DF and JS feud continues in its essence today

Yes, quite right. I don't suppose that it is a disagreement capable of being resolved except by individual gamers themselves.

GreenLeader30 Jan 2017 12:29 a.m. PST

Not perhaps a 'feud' as such, but I guess the old 'Playability' versus 'Realism' is still the main bone of contention between wargamers… and likely always will be.

Gwydion30 Jan 2017 2:42 a.m. PST

the old 'Playability' versus 'Realism' is still the main bone of contention between wargamers… and likely always will be.

No need for it to be.
Easy to have both.

Just depends on your vision of 'playability' and 'realism'grin

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Jan 2017 8:00 a.m. PST

What's a "famous wargamer"?

Retiarius9 Inactive Member30 Jan 2017 4:51 p.m. PST

does not have to be TMP, could be HMGS or anything else

Early morning writer Inactive Member30 Jan 2017 10:22 p.m. PST

Hafen, thanks for the link – informative. I'd known bits and pieces previously but that puts the laundry out for all to see who care to. Curious to see the high minded and literate tone for Mr. Scruby and the much less so from Don, literate, I mean – though that might be from lack of typing skills on his part versus Jack being in the print trade. Curious also to see the American take the 'democratic' side and the Englishman assert his opinion as the only one worthy of his time (his right of course, says another American). Again, may be the literacy thing. But then we have to stack that up against all the books Don later wrote. I do know – because he wrote it so – that Don credited Jack with giving the hobby the life that continues to this day. And I'm sure Jack, from the tone of his reposte, would grant all due credit to Don. So, I'd say that brouhaha has brewed itself out and all we have left is clear water and fond memories of two men who made this modern hobby possible in so very many ways.

Rotundo02 Feb 2017 12:09 p.m. PST

Flames of War camp vs Non FOW camp. The Cuban Crisis was less tense. Things got hateful.

Weasel03 Feb 2017 10:03 p.m. PST

Any game that sells well really. FOW, 40K, Black Powder, probably DBA too.

forwardmarchstudios03 Feb 2017 11:41 p.m. PST

Was there a big dust-up of FOW? See, I don't play WW2, so I'm never over there. I bet there are people n the WW2 board who don't even know what a bricole is.

Retiarius9 Inactive Member04 Feb 2017 1:26 p.m. PST

wasnt there another type of fued in hmgs dealing with the ancient tournaments?

HistoryWargaming07 Feb 2017 2:13 p.m. PST

Tony Bath and Donald Featherstone- however, both were gentlemen and so the word feud is too strong for gentlemen of that era. Many early wargamers were striving for ascendency, the key exceptions were Donald Featherstone (as he had the books in print) and Charles Grant(wargaming was a minor part of his life).

DaleWill Supporting Member of TMP26 Feb 2017 2:45 p.m. PST

All time favorite was the Great Empire vs TMP feud of 2010. Text book on how to NOT launch a product.

TMP link

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2017 9:20 a.m. PST

You just beat me to it. Wargame Event vs.TMP may be the all time great feud. Although it depends on your definition of the word feud. Whatever, it is a classic.

Great War Ace Inactive Member28 Feb 2017 4:07 p.m. PST

I will put in a plug here for Mark Twain's "historical" novel about Joan of Arc. That's my favorite version of the story. It was his favorite work and he took twelve years on it, running the manuscript under his wife's critical eye.

I have only seen snatches of the Mila movie, and it seems excellent, so I bought the DVD (yet to view it). The Ingrid Bergman portrayal is excellent. But if you want to get into the spirit of this story, I recommend the silent film, "The Passion of Joan of Arc" (Criterion edition). Watch it with Richard Einhorn's "movie score" going.

My belief about what Joan of Arc was is that she was inspired not insane. Arguably they are the same thing, or the one can lead to the other. True inspiration can make a mind insane. It won't rest until the vision is complete. Failure to accomplish the vision will bring on madness. There was nothing irrational about following the commands of a girl in plate armor who was a winner. Everybody back then believed in angels and demons. Depending on which side you were on, Joan was listening to one or the other…………..

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2017 1:18 p.m. PST

Has the bug struck again?

Clays Russians23 Mar 2017 10:04 p.m. PST

I remember many many threads ad nauseum, "what color is French White/grey"?
And who could forget that forever classic of yesterday-week
50 shades of field grey ?

UshCha13 Aug 2017 1:48 p.m. PST

Thanks for the DF vs Scrubby link. I started with DF's First Book. I realise how poor it was now. Shame Scrubby did not lead the way.

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