"Fantasy Flight Games - GW Licenses Coming to an End" Topic

Beginning February 28th, 2017, Fantasy Flight Games will no longer offer for sale any games in conjunction with Games Workshop, including Talisman and all games taking place in the Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40,000 universes.

All upcoming products for Games Workshop-licensed games have already been announced and will be released in upcoming months. All Games Workshop-licensed product lines will leave the Fantasy Flight Games catalog on February 28th, 2017.

As stated above, after February 28th, 2017, product lines dealing with Games Workshop properties will end and will no longer be offered for sale by Fantasy Flight Games.

All upcoming products for these product lines have already been announced—there will be no new announcements of additional Games Workshop-licensed products. All announced, currently unreleased products will be released before the conclusion of the business relationship between Fantasy Flight Games and Games Workshop.

The full list of product lines leaving the Fantasy Flight Games catalog is:

• Black Crusade
• Blood Bowl: Team Manager
• Chaos in the Old World
• Chaos Marauders
• Dark Heresy
• Dark Heresy Second Edition
• Deathwatch
• Forbidden Stars
• Fury of Dracula
• Only War
• Relic
• Rogue Trader
• Space Hulk: Death Angel
• Talisman
• Warhammer: Diskwars
• Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay
• Warhammer: Invasion The Card Game
• Warhammer Quest: The Adventure Card Game
• Warhammer 40,000: Conquest

All Fantasy Flight Supply products showing imagery licensed to Games Workshop.

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Now If anyone has not already picked up the above games I highly recommend that you do it quickly before they are all out of print or cannot be brought anymore.

Which by the way is already the case for several of these games and their expansions.

Having received news of this yesterday I went out and picked up Chaos in the Old World, Forbidden Stars and have ordered Fury of Dracula 3rd Edition.

Also tomorrow I will see what I can do about anything else that I have been putting off but no longer can.

Such is getting that Chaos in the Old World expansion for a 5th player because so far no luck.

Plus a few other things.

Man. time to shop.

Blood bowl team manager is a fantastic card game and I'll definitely be swiping some of the RPG books.

I'll be grabbing one of each Conquest expansion too. Easily the best card game I've played.

Have those already so no need to get them except for a Conquest expansion.

Though I just pick the RPG books as well, because they will better than anything GW could put out.

The 40K rpg's are generally all of super high quality. I'd say its worth owning at least the core for each game.

Modiphius have hinted at a major announcement. They'd be the ideal candidate to be taking on the RPG's…

I saw this coming as soon as FFG annouced RuneWars.

-Will

@Frothers

I haven's seen anything about this. Do you have a link?

Blazes, they pulled those license awfully quickly! What, less than two, three years in some cases?

That's awfully short-term and it's not as if FFG messed up anywhere in promotion or production. Surely it's not the RuneWars thing, Wminsing? That seems petty, even for GW. . . .

They got the license in 2008, so they've had it for 8 years, though some product lines are pretty recent.

And I just remembered that my Black Industries copy of Dark Heresy, purchased on the day of release, is lost because a friend borrowed it and moved away :(

Well the RPG stuff should be still be the easiest to get.

What is going to be a pain are the Games.

I have already seen prices of $50 USD for an Expansion for Space Marine: Death Angel.

Getting a Copy of the Horned Rat expansion for Chaos in the Old World is going to be a major issue since none of the usual places have it for sale.

Fury of Dracula 3rd Edition just came out so yes this happen suddenly otherwise I would really doubt that FFG would have put this out if they knew this was coming.

OOP board games can tend to go up in price and there's always the challenge of getting a game without missing components.

@ Fire Broadside – I think it was in one of the emails I had from backing their Conan RPG.

Surely it's not the RuneWars thing, Wminsing? That seems petty, even for GW. . . .

Well, I'm surprised by how fast it happened, but I don't doubt there is some kind of link. RuneWars basically is taking on the exact same sort of space that Warhammer occupies, and FFG is partnered with Asmodee, which gives it a powerful distribution network. FFG has been refining it's miniature games business model for the last couple of years, and I think the challenge they can mount against GW is not insignificant….

And to be honest it might not even have been GW's decision; FFG picked up the license back when they were still trying to develop their own IPs more fully. Since they now have several settings developed, both fantasy and sci-fi. It might have been a case of FFG deciding they didn't need GW, rather than the other way around….

-Will

Well Runewars would have gone up against WFB but GW kill that off, and AoS is just a Space Marine game without the big guns.

Beginning to wonder if the ending of the license deal also has anything to with the possibility of this:

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If you are a company that's going to change over your entire product "universe", it doesn't help the transition if you have parts of the old one sticking around…

Well the reason why only FFG & GW know and they are not going to talk about the reasons.

The thing is FFG made some great games.

Some I have already and some that I was still putting off on getting.

Well putting them off is out of the question now and the race is on to get the ones that I want before the really price gouging hits.

Like here is what Chaos in the Old World is selling for on Amazon.

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Oh and this is only the beginning. The price on this game it only going to go though the roof.

As for the Horn Rat Expansion well that might also reach this level of pricing.

Oh FFG could re-skin some of these games like they did with Rex (re-skin of Dune).

But Rex is not Dune and neither will the re-skin of their other games.

I am going to try and get Death Angel and it expansions with out paying an arm & a leg for them.

Well without having to deal with the GW stuff anymore that will only mean that they will have more time to work on this.

Well Runewars would have gone up against WFB but GW kill that off, and AoS is just a Space Marine game without the big guns.

Yes, might be more accurate to say what the space WFB used to occupy. But either way FFG is moving into miniatures gaming in a big way. If RuneWars does well I have no doubt they will pick one of their sci-fi universes and create their own version of 40K.

-Will

You mean like:

But Runewars is not a bucket of dice game and there really are no Deathstar units in it.

"there really are no Deathstar units in it."

Really, how does it play? Have you played a lot of games of it?

"there really are no Deathstar units in it."

Really, how does it play? Have you played a lot of games of it?

Two things:

First the game is not even out yet so it was Demo'd at Gencon.

Will be out in 1Q2017

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So it kinda hard to play it at all.

But I will be buying it.

If it does well and FFG has a far better track record on making games.

Plus if it does well they have Twilight Imperium.

So you don't really know if it does or doesn't have deathstar units then?

I have watched the video and combat happens at the same time, so both units will take hits and leaders/heroes are not super units that can kill off units like they can in AoS.

So, of the ones you have seen, leaders/heroes aren't super units that can kill off units, just like most of them can't in AoS.

You mean like:

Definitely; there's now like 14+ races, plenty of factions for a game.

Or if they wanted a hard-ish sci-fi setting they could go with their Android setting.

-Will

Ah man a miniatures skirmish in New Angeles would be awesome.

just like most of them can't in AoS.

But there are some that can, gee I wonder which ones individuals put into their armies.

There are basically three: Arachaon, Nagash and the Glottkin. I haven't seen any of them in person in a game yet. I guess the Everqueen might be one of them now too, although she doesn't seem as powerful as the other three.

And having big, bad ass units isn't a bad thing. They are used in big games as an option. I'm sure some people field Nagash and 20 skeleton warriors but there are probably people that field 5 Tiger tanks and nothing else too or will field only Old Guard French forces.

Well I am not one of those individuals, I have around three French Corps for Napoleonic's and not one unit of Old Guard.

Saxons – Yes
Bavarians – Yes
French – Yes

Old Guard – None

Plus I would go with Panzers III & IV's before going with Tigers if I game World War II.