Mithmee | 31 Aug 2016 7:50 p.m. PST |
Well it looks like 40K just might be seeing it own End of Times. link link link Well Warhammer Fantasy Battle had a End of Times as well and we all know how that ended. Oh and that one started out as well with GW putting out a bunch of books that the Fanboyz brought and in the end after GW collected their dough. GW killed off WFB. So is this the beginning of the end for Warhammer 40K? |
JLA105 | 31 Aug 2016 8:42 p.m. PST |
Meh. Had my own 'end times' with WH40K 4 or 5 editions ago. |
Zephyr1 | 31 Aug 2016 8:54 p.m. PST |
So if they kill off WH40K, what do they have left? (Besides IP they can sell off to the highest bidder…) |
nsolomon99 | 31 Aug 2016 9:10 p.m. PST |
I've got a 12 year old who loves and absorbs all the 40K lore and background but finds the actual rules a bit complex and challenging. |
Wretched Peasant Scum | 31 Aug 2016 10:27 p.m. PST |
nsolomon99 Try OnePage40k link |
BaldLea | 31 Aug 2016 10:30 p.m. PST |
Maybe if they go belly up, Mithmee can finally move on with his life. |
Insomniac | 01 Sep 2016 2:45 a.m. PST |
WH40k will just get a reboot with simpler rules. Hopefully, they have realised (with Age of Sigmar) they may have approached things the wrong way and will put to good use what they learned from that experince… … or they will try their hardest to alienate the WH40k crowd just as they did with the WHFB crowd… |
jsmcc91 | 01 Sep 2016 3:42 a.m. PST |
I agree Insomniac. Out of the 20+ guys in our WHFB group, zero play AOS. Many of us tried it and did not like it at all. We are going forward with the 9th age or playing the rules we have. If 40k goes the same as AOS, we may as well see the end of a lot more loyal followers. |
dagc54 | 01 Sep 2016 8:17 a.m. PST |
Our group switched to Kings of War and love it. |
Patrick Sexton | 01 Sep 2016 8:42 a.m. PST |
Would there not still be about 38,000 years and a good part of this galaxy (at least) to fight in and about and over. |
Pizzagrenadier | 01 Sep 2016 6:31 p.m. PST |
As I understand it, they're not ending the 40k universe. They are moving the timeline forward. Not that this won't involve some major shakeups. The death of a god or two, the return of a primarch or three… that kind of thing. Hardly AoS level of end times. And that doesn't mean players won't be able to play in the old time line as unlike AoS, whole ranges of models won't be disappearing. |
Pictors Studio | 01 Sep 2016 9:40 p.m. PST |
That is what I understand too, Pizzagrenadier. It is a shift in the story line but not an ending of it. Some primarchs are coming back. We're getting 40K chaos primarchs but also some loyalist ones. Probably, almost certainly, Magnus is going to be released in plastic. "So if they kill off WH40K, what do they have left?" They would still have their fantasy game, Age of Sigmar, which is outselling their old fantasy game by significant margins. |
Insomniac | 02 Sep 2016 6:15 a.m. PST |
Playing devil's advocate here… If AoS is outselling WHFB, then maybe it would be a good decision to make an 'Age of the Primarchs' in the same style? It is obviously working… Maybe it is time for a resetting of the datums? |
Pictors Studio | 02 Sep 2016 7:06 a.m. PST |
Actually if you read a lot of the forums on various 40K websites, there is a lot of talk about the desirability of doing just that. Those that are against it seemingly have never played AoS. I don't know if it would be a great idea to turn 40K into AoS but it could do with quite a bit of simplification. 7th edition is too much for me to want to learn it. Since I started into 40K, or more accurately 30K, again in November, I looked at 7th edition but went back to 3rd. That being said I'm not sure that 40K really needs it. I think the barrier to fantasy for a lot of existing 40K players was the number of models needed. Now that you can get away with spending about $150 USD-200 and getting a pretty reasonable sized army for the game you are seeing a lot of people dip their toe in the water. I don't have any real numbers but in the last 6 months or less the AoS community of reddit has grown from about 1,400 people to over 3,000. I'm sure a lot of that is spurred by the release of the General's Handbook and you can see the posts on there have started to have more "Is this 1000 pt army any good" type posts, but the number of people are growing and anecdotally they seem to be people coming in from 40K. The play style is more what they are familiar with, the armies are cheaper compared to WHFB by a good bit and even more so with the Start Collecting boxes and all the rules are free on-line. There are plenty of people out there playing without having bought a single rule book except the GH. The real staggering thing to me is that a lot of old WHFB that I see on there are actually rebasing their armies to play AoS and some people are giving them if they don't want to do so. So I think a new, less complex, version of 40K might be a good thing but you have people who really like the complexity. Either way it wouldn't be the total overhaul that AoS was to WHFB because they would keep the basic skirmish style of play. |
Mithmee | 02 Sep 2016 12:52 p.m. PST |
Interesting that AoS still does not sell in my area and no one that I know is playing it. What they are playing is: X-Wing Armada Star Trek But when it comes to GW and their well known track record they could kill off 40K and not blink an eye about it. As long as they can increase the prices of their miniatures and provide more bucket of dice games they believe that everything will be okay. |
Pictors Studio | 02 Sep 2016 1:40 p.m. PST |
Based on a sample size of 1 store, Mithmee has concluded that AoS is failing. GW's track record is producing a game for 30 years. How many other companies can claim that? |
Insomniac | 02 Sep 2016 1:47 p.m. PST |
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Pictors Studio | 02 Sep 2016 2:08 p.m. PST |
So they are in pretty good company then? :) |
Mithmee | 02 Sep 2016 5:51 p.m. PST |
Actually two stores which for my area is higher than normal for having stores that sell what we are looking for. Oh and I stated that it is not selling or being played. GW's track record is producing a game for 30 years. No, they kill that game off last year after a 32 year run. Warhammer 40K did not come out until 1987 so it still has another year to go before reaching 30 years. But with this End of Times that might be all it will get. The one thing I have trust GW to do is screw over their customers because they have been doing that for nearly 20 years. |
Pizzagrenadier | 02 Sep 2016 8:22 p.m. PST |
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Pictors Studio | 02 Sep 2016 9:11 p.m. PST |
PD:"GW's track record is producing a game for 30 years." M: "No, they kill that game off last year after a 32 year run." It just gets better and better.
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Insomniac | 03 Sep 2016 3:00 a.m. PST |
PS: So they are in pretty good company then? :) Yep :) |
billthecat | 03 Sep 2016 6:16 p.m. PST |
I would be interested to see what they do with the rules, but the pricing and WAAC tournament mentality both keep me safely away from the "GW hobby(TM)" these days. So many other better alternatives…. All that aside, though, a return to a more "squad level" game might be great for 40K and revitalize the interest of many "on the fence" players. |
Zephyr1 | 03 Sep 2016 7:59 p.m. PST |
That already exists; It's called Rogue Trader… ;-) |
Mithmee | 04 Sep 2016 7:20 p.m. PST |
Yup and those are the only rules that I have still for 40K. |
TheGaffer | 06 Sep 2016 4:12 p.m. PST |
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